Has anyone noticed that the “both sides are the same so don’t bother voting” crowd have tripled efforts since we neared another important election time frame, funny how that happens.
Especially pitching that in the face of Hungary’s recent transition.
I have not noticed that, no.
Consider this your notification then
What metric are you using to measure that? Wheres your data?
Not everything is a court of law that needs data points presented on-demand.
Just start paying attention, if you notice it then you’ll see it. If you don’t then maybe the other commenter is wrong. But it’s helpful to be aware and start noticing names.
have you ever noticed how the “have you ever noticed?” people have tripled their efforts now that the "both sides are the same so don’t bother voting” crowd have tripled their efforts?
No notes.
Nobody said anything about a court of law.
Anecdotes are worthless. You dont know that the posts have increased. It could be your perception of them increased. This kind of shit is no better than the dumbasses who reject science because it conflicts with their feelings.
At best the Democrats have been doing the ratchet effect, at worse you see no difference since they kept voting Trump appointees.
“They” as a group did not keep voting Trump appointees. Most of them didn’t, but you’re always going to have some throw away a meaningless vote and holdup in return for a political favor from the other side
I’m not just talking about Senate but committees that come up first for appointees. So I’m hearing then they also cannot manage to keep themselves in order with their overall arching message of Resistance as well. Which is another tick against them.
Edit: Also yeah, let’s not forget voting to fund ICE and DHS. Neo-liberalism isn’t a compromise, it’s just believing it is.
Edit 2: Oh also remember when Biden said we need Republicans as much as Democrats? They’ve got a huge mountain to climb in this regard to be seen as even palatable.
So I’m hearing then they also cannot manage to keep themselves in order with their overall arching message of Resistance as well.
Nobody is going to get 100% of their members to vote a certain way, especially if their votes don’t matter. This is true for any political party, even your favored one. When their votes do matter, Democrats vote consistently more progressively than the alternative.
Also yeah, let’s not forget voting to fund ICE and DHS.
ICE was funded by the OBBBA. All Democrats voted against it in both houses and even convinced several Republicans to vote against it to the point that Vance had to cast a tie-breaking vote.
Oh also remember when Biden said we need Republicans as much as Democrats?
Biden is senile. He said a bunch of crazy things, but he didn’t say we need Republicans as much as Democrats. He said that we need a Republican Party that is principled and strong. It’s precisely a lack of principles and backbone that resulted in the GOP’s Trump takeover.
We don’t need a Republican party, because Democrats do well enough as the conservative party. The fact he still believes we need another conservative party does not look good.
As for voting progressive, boy, Biden and Pelosi sure were voting progressive a lot of the time with funding police.
Look, I get it, you’re apologizing for the neo-liberals being shit. But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with. Just stop.
The fact he still believes we need another conservative party does not look good.
He looks senile. He is.
As for voting progressive, boy, Biden and Pelosi sure were voting progressive a lot of the time with funding police.
Progressives want community policing. They don’t want no police. You’re confusing progressives with anarchists.
But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with.
I’m more leftist than you are, and I’ve already convinced several. The key idea is that we should always do the best we can. If the choice is between bombing Iran and not bombing Iran, I choose not bombing Iran. If the choice is between sanctioning West Bank settlers and getting aid to Gaza and not doing those things, I choose the former. If the choice is between teaching Americans black history as American history and not teaching black history, I choose the former. If the choice is between helping refugees and removing their legal status after they’re already in the country and deporting them, you can guess which one I’m going to choose.
While I make these choices, I convince others who aren’t as progressive as me why the progressive policies that aren’t yet popular make sense, so the next time around, we’ll have the votes for it. In just the same way, I convince progressives who don’t think through the consequences of their actions why they need to, so we have the votes not to backslide into regressive policies. I don’t agree with anybody I vote for 100% of the time, but I do understand that voting for them is better than the alternative. Imagine if people who wanted equal rights for black people didn’t vote for Lincoln because he said he didn’t think that blacks should marry whites or go to the same schools (read the Lincoln Douglas debate transcripts).
Look, I get it, you’re apologizing for the neo-liberals being shit. But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with. Just stop.
look do you want another trump? another orban?
because this is how you end up with both. Magyar’s centre-right party secured something better than Orban. Why do you insist on enabling the worst because you can’t get your ideals?
I get the urge to change things quickly, but unless you want a civil war, most positive change comes deliberately, not quickly.
Yes dear, we’re all paid actors committed to a secret plot to keep the raw dynamism of Chuck Schumer from the levers of power. We all remember the Red Terror he unleashed when the Democrats won both houses in 2020.
Schumer is literally doing everything he can to help trump pass his agenda and prevent congressional oversight of operation epstein fury.
And he’s a perfect example of a dem senator who wants everyone to stay home on election day because he’s the incumbent presumptive winner.
Hey, if you’re calling for people to show up to the Senate primary - and then not vote for Schumer if he wins that - I’m with you, 100%.
If you’re saying we need to vote for Schumer because he’s not as bad as Trump, not with you.
Spot the pocket both sides trash and direct their opinion to the dumpster. Case in point.
Spot the neo-liberal simps and be sure the dumpster is on fire first.
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it’s dangerous to go alone, take this!
“Transition”? Other than licking Israeli boots, what do you think is the major change in Hungary?
They have a fascist lite instead of full fascist? Dunno, sounds like it’ll only be marginally better. Vote the lesser evil, because, apparently that’s better…
Less is better than more evil, correct.
Maybe in the short term . . .
Nobody knows what the long term holds, and it’s in no universe worth gambling on accelerationism when there’s real immediate harm we can prevent by voting for the Democrats. At the very least, measles won’t come back.
There’s real immediate harm you create by voting for the Democrats under current leadership, and that’s opportunity cost. You’re allowing a group which is doing nothing to combat Trump and the GOP to maintain positions of power and organize resistance to them to their own benefit.
No Kings is the best you’re going to get out of them, and it’s nowhere near enough.
There is currently no alternative to the left of the Democrats that has a credible path to power. It is not an “immediate harm” to undermine an alternative which is not even considered a genuine threat by the establishment.
Build those alternatives, sure, but they are not going to overturn the current system overnight.
And why the left will not just support Dems blindly. Evil is still evil.
We need to live in the reality that we’re getting evil either way and try to minimize harm.
Negative, I’ll vote in primaries and do what I can in my limited capacities to see better candidates that aren’t harmful. I won’t accept less than that.
I too have also heard that less evil is better but I’m not a philosopher.
We are all Hungary; time to eat the rich.
Not with that doomer attitude
Wow. What an uphill battle the Democrats have before them. How will they EVER be able to prove how unfit for office Trump is? Wow. A commission!
What a colossal f*cking waste of time. Just 25th him, already. You’ve got every damn day Trump’s been in office for the last 10 years as evidence. Quit jerking off and do your jobs.
Learn how the government works if you’re gonna prescribe how it should act. The Democrats have no power to 25th him- only his hand picked cabinet can do that.
Now they DO need to be filing impeachment every time he does something wrong and just add it to the growing list and make them have to go through all of it every time. That’s all they can really do.
The democrats could have literally shot Trump during Biden’s mandate, the fact that Trump was allowed to exist as a political candidate is just further evidence that the “checks and balances” only exist to stop progressives and they’ll do nothing about fascism
… nothing is ever good for people like you
People like you are easily placated by insincere token gestures.
No, I just see the bigger picture and understand how things actually work instead or some fantasy where Dems have power
I just see the bigger picture
how things actually work
some fantasy where Dems have power
S.1071 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2026
On passage Passed by the Yeas and Nays: 312 - 112 (Roll no. 320)
Motion to proceed to consideration of the House message to accompany S. 1071 agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 75 - 22
Senate agreed to the House amendment to S. 1071 by Yea-Nay Vote. 77 - 20
The majority of Dems are complicit - occasionally even enthusiastic - for these atrocities.
Your hijacking the conversation and changing the context, 25th amendment is the topic
All you are doing is spamming
The fantasy is believing anyone’s vote will be changed by a commission, oh great big picture understander.
Its worked before…
What do you mean?
Commissions expose truth, people pay attention, votes can change
Yes, the Dems have not held power since 2016!
Also, I was in a coma from 21-23 and haven’t checked the news.
Now your just being silly
My just being silly what?
Hilarious how everyone here complains they take the (slow) bureaucratic route.
This is a political party and that’s how they can act.
If you want fast results, take it to the streets. Kicking him out outside of bureaucratic procedures is everyone’s responsibility, not specifically the elected parties
Jesus Christ just go for impeachment. If you can 25th, you can impeach. What a waste of time.
Is impeachment much better? He’s been impeached twice already, what did that accomplish?
That’s because they didnt get the 2/3 in the Senate they needed to remove him. But they need that 2/3 to 25th him… So yeah.
Plus if they 25th he can just write a letter saying he is competent and resume being president whenever he wants.
they may get 2/3 if those Republicans on the fence feel like they have a good excuse to throw him under the bus. Their insane base might still vote for them if they say “we had to he was really sick” instead of “we had to he’s breaking things you don’t give a fuck about”
It’s politics.
Claiming Trump is crazy is much more vulnerable to rebuttals that the accusers are political and suffer from “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. Some of the shittiest politics comes from chopping up video clips to make people look crazy or stupid. Or just reading transcripts. Every transcript of extemporaneous speech makes the speaker sound stupid. That’s just how it natural speech works and the leeway you have in performing a transcript.
Impeachment puts the focus on the crimes he’s committing and the actual damage he’s doing.
His mental fitness is being assessed constantly. They just don’t care about his decline. Putin will have him as long as he think he can serve his purpose as being a useful idiot.
*Netanyahu, not Putin
“We are going to file a request to create a vote in order to create a commission, that can create a petition to allow us to file the article to vote on whether or not we can impeach the seditious, blackmailed. child raping, human trafficker that sold out our country”.
The rules are pretty hilarious at this point.
They REALLY WANT HIM GONE GUYS
I’d like to see ole Donny Trump wiggle out of THIS one!
Super easy. Barely an inconvenience.
I knew the dems would form a committee eventually. It’s only a matter of time now. /s
I can’t wait to read the strongly worded letter.
Man, woman, felon, camera.
Wasting more funds and time. Gear up for the elections, select the proper candidates who are younger and healthier, get rid of the old shitbags and re-take the executive, administrative and judicial branches. Then prosecute the fuck out of every corrupt MAGA turd. If you clowns let them get away with it again, shame on you.
It’s gonna take a lot of effort trying to get democratic socialists into office. That day that happens will be the day a blue corn moon occurs . I really hope the DSA gets a huge boost if they wanna put their place in Congress.
+1…Fully agree!
Sure let’s do everything but useful stuff
What’s useful stuff at this point, shooting him? At least this will force the Republicans to vote against it making it look like they have something to hide.
force the Republicans to vote against it making it look like they have something to hide.
It always cracks me up when liberals assume this matters to anyone.
I know like his name all over the Epstein files which he actually hid 😩 turns out no one cares. Everyone’s on board to end the American experiment.
You mean that thing they’ve done for decades that their base wants? Look at how they acted with Good and Pretti, they’re not even trying to make white people comfortable anymore*; the gloves are off. They know that anyone who hates them will hate them and anyone who loves them will let them get away with pretty much anything.
*In the past they’d at least try to make white people comfortable so that said group could ignore major issues. Now they’re shooting them, too.
Yes. Shoot him.
Political power comes from the barrel of the gun, etc.
They have long stopped caring about that.
Ah, you’re one of those people who will look at any potentially positive action and say it’s useless. You know how we know that? It’s because you didn’t mention any alternatives. Because you don’t think there are any alternatives. Because you think life is pointless and we’re all gonna die and nobody can do anything to stop Trump. And we all know that’s not true because Trump has lost on many issues over the last year and he will continue to in the future. But you don’t want us to recognize reality for what it is.
And of course it’s hard to get him thrown out of the White House, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. Unless, of course, you want him to stay in the White House. Which, perhaps, you do.
that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.
Pretending to try is not trying.
any potentially positive action
potentially positive
potentially
:-/
And of course it’s hard to get him thrown out of the White House, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.
Critical Support to Thomas Matthew Crooks for giving it the old college try.
Yes Charlie Brown, you’re gonna kick that football the Dems are holding this time . . .
We can do lots to stop Trump, capitalism, and fascism. You just can’t do it by supporting the Democrats.
Congress doesn’t use the 25th amendment, it’s the president’s cabinet.
I co-chaired the committee that reviewed the recommendation to revise the color of the book that regulation’s in… We kept it grey!"
Bureaucratic babbel at it’s finest.
“… We kept it grey” was such a powerful line though.
I haven’t seen this on Reddit yet. It’s interesting to compare what’s posted on lemmy and reddid.
he’s going to ace it! it’ll be the best 25th amendment commission they’ve ever seen! Maybe even the most they’ve ever seen, who knows? lots of people were saying “wow you aced it mr president”
I was just at the hipster coffee shop, and all the people were saying how Trump drew the best clocks ever.
Surely the libs will kick the football this time.
