“Lightweight Jamie Raskin is a stupid person’s idea of a smart person,” said White House spokesperson Davis Ingle.
Trump is a poor white trash person’s idea of a rich person.
Judging by how much the billionaires back him, I don’t think that’s true. The idea that billionaires are anything other than scammers and abusers like Trump is pretty obviously false. He just doesn’t mask it.
He’s a useful idiot. Back in the 90s when he was doing fast food commercials, he lost massive amounts of money. The appearance of bring a billionaire helped him become a billionaire again. The dude’s a grifter and a puppet.
When Trump opens his mouth, you can SEE Putin’s hand.
Why reach for Putin when American capital is right there?
Liberals, especially middle-class liberals who had a little economic privilege, will not question the system that privileged them.
So they reach for other explanations that vibe with the things they already believe. Evil foreigners, bad people doing capitalism wrong, maybe both conspiring together.
Billionaires back whoever they think can get them the most money. It really isn’t any deeper than that.
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Every billionaire that opens their mouth. How do you think they got all that money? Hard work and ethical business practices?
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We aren’t arguing with each other trying to say the same thing. You are trying to argue with me because you misread my comment twice.
Billionaires are soulless scammers. I said that pretty clearly in my original comment.
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My comment was perfectly understandable and used a really common phrase. You’re being a patronizing asshole despite the misunderstanding being entirely on you. I didn’t make you comment.
Edit: and then you delete the entire comment chain to hide it. Is lemmy holding a clown convention today?
Yes, I would think stupid people would think a constitutional lawyer is a smart person.
I’m not sure David Ingle is too bright, though.
Oh no he didn’t just insult my favorite congressman!
It’s not even true either. Jamie Raskin is highly intelligent, and professional, and he even kept serving while undergoing cancer treatment. He’s a hero.
trump on the other hand, is trash.
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I was about to complain yet again “that’s not how it works”, but then I looked up the text again and this is explicitly allowed. Congress can set up a commission that basically takes the place of the Cabinet for 25th Amendment purposes. So now all this talk of the 25th amendment makes a bit more sense to me.
They still need a 2/3 margin in both houses even after the commission makes their determination, because the idiot is guaranteed to contest it. But maybe there is some truth to the idea that Republicans won’t vote to impeach but would vote to declare him incompetent, based on his dumb tweets
I think the chances that republicans will admit their guy is incompetent is close to 0. They will rather lock him up in the white house basement for 2 years.
As soon as he’s no longer useful he’ll be discarded. Right now they can push through an agenda, blame it all on him and he’ll just lap it up. Any attention to him is a good thing. He’s an idiot but he’s managed to attract some vile, politically savvy people to his cabinet. They know what they’re doing.
No, the optics here are very important. If they get rid of a sitting president during the next elections democrats will say “the last guy they nominated was so bad they had to get rid of him, you can’t trust them”. This damages the brand and they don’t want that. They always have to project confidence and never admit mistakes. It was the same with Biden. People around him new for a very long time that he was unfit for office but were hiding it for as long as they could. Republicans will do the same but Trump doesn’t have to do any debates. He just has to wave at people from a distance and sign papers.
I think they’ve been puppeteering him since he first took the oath in 2017. They just guide him to the decisions that they want. There may be a few original ideas, but I doubt many of them are.
Remember his father was made to think he was working https://people.com/fred-trump-family-history-dementia-donald-behavior-exclusive-8738427
If I were a Republican I’d be arguing that there’s no way Americans didn’t already know he was incompetent when voting for him.
Yea, no backsies!
Somebody needs to position themselves right next to the Stalemate Resolution Button and be ready.
Yeah far easier to impeach, which requires a simple majority in the House and 2/3rds of the Senate.
The 25th Amendment is a higher bar, since it requires 2/3rds of both the House and the Senate.
That’s the issue when you have a Republican controlled Congress. They’ll never turn on the party so you’re asking them to hold themselves accountable.
Oh great another 2 year circus side show.
A commission to assess?
Ffs.
Nuke us from space.
Your request for “nuke us from space” has been filed. It may take up to 15-20 years before you get a reply.
And if you follow there may
Be a tomorrow but if
The offer’s shunned
You might as well be walking on the Sun
Folks, they’re talking about my ballroom, and saying all that glitters is gold. . . .
I’m fairly sure it’s already been denied, properly filed in a disused lavatory with “beware of leopard” sign as is due process.
Username checks out
…after which a commission may be formed to assess whether this would be the right move. And after that, it’d probably be DOA in the senate if it gets that far.
Not good enough.
Concepts of a plan.
If we should be nuked from space for anything, it’s Trump’s insanity, not calling it out. Yesterday people complained that Democrats don’t even put up any opposition. Now we’re complaining when they begin the process of removing him from office. 🤷♂️
They’re not in the process of removing him from office.
We deserve it because we have let it go on this long.
And if the Democrats were serious they would impeech him, not start a committee to evaluate. What the Democrats have done is begun to waste more time.
You know they have impeached him twice already, right?
It’s the only way to be sure.
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Has anyone noticed that the “both sides are the same so don’t bother voting” crowd have tripled efforts since we neared another important election time frame, funny how that happens.
Especially pitching that in the face of Hungary’s recent transition.
I have not noticed that, no.
Consider this your notification then
What metric are you using to measure that? Wheres your data?
Not everything is a court of law that needs data points presented on-demand.
Just start paying attention, if you notice it then you’ll see it. If you don’t then maybe the other commenter is wrong. But it’s helpful to be aware and start noticing names.
have you ever noticed how the “have you ever noticed?” people have tripled their efforts now that the "both sides are the same so don’t bother voting” crowd have tripled their efforts?
No notes.
Nobody said anything about a court of law.
Anecdotes are worthless. You dont know that the posts have increased. It could be your perception of them increased. This kind of shit is no better than the dumbasses who reject science because it conflicts with their feelings.
Yes dear, we’re all paid actors committed to a secret plot to keep the raw dynamism of Chuck Schumer from the levers of power. We all remember the Red Terror he unleashed when the Democrats won both houses in 2020.
Schumer is literally doing everything he can to help trump pass his agenda and prevent congressional oversight of operation epstein fury.
And he’s a perfect example of a dem senator who wants everyone to stay home on election day because he’s the incumbent presumptive winner.
Hey, if you’re calling for people to show up to the Senate primary - and then not vote for Schumer if he wins that - I’m with you, 100%.
If you’re saying we need to vote for Schumer because he’s not as bad as Trump, not with you.
Spot the pocket both sides trash and direct their opinion to the dumpster. Case in point.
Spot the neo-liberal simps and be sure the dumpster is on fire first.
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And the accusations of being a Trump supporter are here, folks! Get them right here! Just a small price of your soul and morals right here folks!
it’s dangerous to go alone, take this!
At best the Democrats have been doing the ratchet effect, at worse you see no difference since they kept voting Trump appointees.
“They” as a group did not keep voting Trump appointees. Most of them didn’t, but you’re always going to have some throw away a meaningless vote and holdup in return for a political favor from the other side
I’m not just talking about Senate but committees that come up first for appointees. So I’m hearing then they also cannot manage to keep themselves in order with their overall arching message of Resistance as well. Which is another tick against them.
Edit: Also yeah, let’s not forget voting to fund ICE and DHS. Neo-liberalism isn’t a compromise, it’s just believing it is.
Edit 2: Oh also remember when Biden said we need Republicans as much as Democrats? They’ve got a huge mountain to climb in this regard to be seen as even palatable.
So I’m hearing then they also cannot manage to keep themselves in order with their overall arching message of Resistance as well.
Nobody is going to get 100% of their members to vote a certain way, especially if their votes don’t matter. This is true for any political party, even your favored one. When their votes do matter, Democrats vote consistently more progressively than the alternative.
Also yeah, let’s not forget voting to fund ICE and DHS.
ICE was funded by the OBBBA. All Democrats voted against it in both houses and even convinced several Republicans to vote against it to the point that Vance had to cast a tie-breaking vote.
Oh also remember when Biden said we need Republicans as much as Democrats?
Biden is senile. He said a bunch of crazy things, but he didn’t say we need Republicans as much as Democrats. He said that we need a Republican Party that is principled and strong. It’s precisely a lack of principles and backbone that resulted in the GOP’s Trump takeover.
We don’t need a Republican party, because Democrats do well enough as the conservative party. The fact he still believes we need another conservative party does not look good.
As for voting progressive, boy, Biden and Pelosi sure were voting progressive a lot of the time with funding police.
Look, I get it, you’re apologizing for the neo-liberals being shit. But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with. Just stop.
The fact he still believes we need another conservative party does not look good.
He looks senile. He is.
As for voting progressive, boy, Biden and Pelosi sure were voting progressive a lot of the time with funding police.
Progressives want community policing. They don’t want no police. You’re confusing progressives with anarchists.
But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with.
I’m more leftist than you are, and I’ve already convinced several. The key idea is that we should always do the best we can. If the choice is between bombing Iran and not bombing Iran, I choose not bombing Iran. If the choice is between sanctioning West Bank settlers and getting aid to Gaza and not doing those things, I choose the former. If the choice is between teaching Americans black history as American history and not teaching black history, I choose the former. If the choice is between helping refugees and removing their legal status after they’re already in the country and deporting them, you can guess which one I’m going to choose.
While I make these choices, I convince others who aren’t as progressive as me why the progressive policies that aren’t yet popular make sense, so the next time around, we’ll have the votes for it. In just the same way, I convince progressives who don’t think through the consequences of their actions why they need to, so we have the votes not to backslide into regressive policies. I don’t agree with anybody I vote for 100% of the time, but I do understand that voting for them is better than the alternative. Imagine if people who wanted equal rights for black people didn’t vote for Lincoln because he said he didn’t think that blacks should marry whites or go to the same schools (read the Lincoln Douglas debate transcripts).
Look, I get it, you’re apologizing for the neo-liberals being shit. But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with. Just stop.
look do you want another trump? another orban?
because this is how you end up with both. Magyar’s centre-right party secured something better than Orban. Why do you insist on enabling the worst because you can’t get your ideals?
I get the urge to change things quickly, but unless you want a civil war, most positive change comes deliberately, not quickly.
“Transition”? Other than licking Israeli boots, what do you think is the major change in Hungary?
They have a fascist lite instead of full fascist? Dunno, sounds like it’ll only be marginally better. Vote the lesser evil, because, apparently that’s better…
Less is better than more evil, correct.
Maybe in the short term . . .
Nobody knows what the long term holds, and it’s in no universe worth gambling on accelerationism when there’s real immediate harm we can prevent by voting for the Democrats. At the very least, measles won’t come back.
There’s real immediate harm you create by voting for the Democrats under current leadership, and that’s opportunity cost. You’re allowing a group which is doing nothing to combat Trump and the GOP to maintain positions of power and organize resistance to them to their own benefit.
No Kings is the best you’re going to get out of them, and it’s nowhere near enough.
There is currently no alternative to the left of the Democrats that has a credible path to power. It is not an “immediate harm” to undermine an alternative which is not even considered a genuine threat by the establishment.
Build those alternatives, sure, but they are not going to overturn the current system overnight.
And why the left will not just support Dems blindly. Evil is still evil.
We need to live in the reality that we’re getting evil either way and try to minimize harm.
Negative, I’ll vote in primaries and do what I can in my limited capacities to see better candidates that aren’t harmful. I won’t accept less than that.
I too have also heard that less evil is better but I’m not a philosopher.
We are all Hungary; time to eat the rich.
Not with that doomer attitude
His craziness needs to stay in until December.
Why?
47 needs to go ASAP, if vance has to serve more than 50% of the remaining term then he can only run for reellection once. If 47 croaks or is removed after that point, the couch-fucker can run with some incumbant advantage twice
Isn’t that exactly why we’d want him removed before December?
You think anyone would vote for Vance? I think his only chance for the presidency is a heart attack or successful assassination of the pedo in chief.
The clown keeps making the circus look like a circus. Vance might bring some illusion of sanity to the MAGAts. At present, the mid-terms will be a slaughter.
Midterms.
The voters voted for Trump. They didn’t vote for Vance, and never will. So that is not a very good reason for him to stay.
Because most of the populace forgets the horrors and need to be brought to the fire until close to the election so they will not vote for more Republicans.
I hear ya, but nobody is going to willingly elect JD Vance. It’s better to remove Pedonald as quickly as possible imho
His mental fitness is being assessed constantly. They just don’t care about his decline. Putin will have him as long as he think he can serve his purpose as being a useful idiot.
*Netanyahu, not Putin
Man, woman, felon, camera.
Wow. What an uphill battle the Democrats have before them. How will they EVER be able to prove how unfit for office Trump is? Wow. A commission!
What a colossal f*cking waste of time. Just 25th him, already. You’ve got every damn day Trump’s been in office for the last 10 years as evidence. Quit jerking off and do your jobs.
Learn how the government works if you’re gonna prescribe how it should act. The Democrats have no power to 25th him- only his hand picked cabinet can do that.
Now they DO need to be filing impeachment every time he does something wrong and just add it to the growing list and make them have to go through all of it every time. That’s all they can really do.
The democrats could have literally shot Trump during Biden’s mandate, the fact that Trump was allowed to exist as a political candidate is just further evidence that the “checks and balances” only exist to stop progressives and they’ll do nothing about fascism
… nothing is ever good for people like you
People like you are easily placated by insincere token gestures.
No, I just see the bigger picture and understand how things actually work instead or some fantasy where Dems have power
The fantasy is believing anyone’s vote will be changed by a commission, oh great big picture understander.
Its worked before…
What do you mean?
Commissions expose truth, people pay attention, votes can change
I just see the bigger picture
how things actually work
some fantasy where Dems have power
S.1071 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2026
On passage Passed by the Yeas and Nays: 312 - 112 (Roll no. 320)
Motion to proceed to consideration of the House message to accompany S. 1071 agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 75 - 22
Senate agreed to the House amendment to S. 1071 by Yea-Nay Vote. 77 - 20
The majority of Dems are complicit - occasionally even enthusiastic - for these atrocities.
Your hijacking the conversation and changing the context, 25th amendment is the topic
All you are doing is spamming
Yes, the Dems have not held power since 2016!
Also, I was in a coma from 21-23 and haven’t checked the news.
Now your just being silly
My just being silly what?
Sure let’s do everything but useful stuff
What’s useful stuff at this point, shooting him? At least this will force the Republicans to vote against it making it look like they have something to hide.
force the Republicans to vote against it making it look like they have something to hide.
It always cracks me up when liberals assume this matters to anyone.
I know like his name all over the Epstein files which he actually hid 😩 turns out no one cares. Everyone’s on board to end the American experiment.
You mean that thing they’ve done for decades that their base wants? Look at how they acted with Good and Pretti, they’re not even trying to make white people comfortable anymore*; the gloves are off. They know that anyone who hates them will hate them and anyone who loves them will let them get away with pretty much anything.
*In the past they’d at least try to make white people comfortable so that said group could ignore major issues. Now they’re shooting them, too.
Yes. Shoot him.
Political power comes from the barrel of the gun, etc.
They have long stopped caring about that.
Ah, you’re one of those people who will look at any potentially positive action and say it’s useless. You know how we know that? It’s because you didn’t mention any alternatives. Because you don’t think there are any alternatives. Because you think life is pointless and we’re all gonna die and nobody can do anything to stop Trump. And we all know that’s not true because Trump has lost on many issues over the last year and he will continue to in the future. But you don’t want us to recognize reality for what it is.
And of course it’s hard to get him thrown out of the White House, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. Unless, of course, you want him to stay in the White House. Which, perhaps, you do.
that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.
Pretending to try is not trying.
any potentially positive action
potentially positive
potentially
:-/
And of course it’s hard to get him thrown out of the White House, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.
Critical Support to Thomas Matthew Crooks for giving it the old college try.
Yes Charlie Brown, you’re gonna kick that football the Dems are holding this time . . .
We can do lots to stop Trump, capitalism, and fascism. You just can’t do it by supporting the Democrats.
Congress doesn’t use the 25th amendment, it’s the president’s cabinet.
Another performative stunt. Dead on arrival and everyone knows it.
Would you rather they do nothing at all cause that’s the other legal option they have at this moment
Vote no on literally everything, shut it all down.
I’d rather they do something with substance than just a performance. There is zero chance that this follows through and all it will do it give Trump more ammunition for the next person who questions his fitness to serve. Unless there’s an actual chance that impeachment or invoking the 25th amendment might go somewhere it’s just political theatre.
Like what
Why would they only explore legal options? Trump is a fascist, a felon and a pedophile
Until November.
You mean January 21.
That’s basically saying “No u”.
Gross
Old
ProjectionSeriously, people have (rightly) been saying this about Trump for decades!
I knew the dems would form a committee eventually. It’s only a matter of time now. /s
I can’t wait to read the strongly worded letter.
