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    I’ve been riding motorcycles for a couple decades and now that they’re all fancy and computer controlled, most bike have their ECUs cracked within a couple years. Granted most of the time it’s to remove Euro-5 emissions controls 🙄, or remove speed limiters. But could this be an option to disable car surveillance?

    I recognize car companies will probably retaliate by saying you voided warranty, but so far most motorcycle companies don’t do that.

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    Good to see rural truck bros starting to learn what supporting authoritarians will get them.

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          You need bike lanes to encourage more people to ride

          Not many people are willing to take a lane

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              As someone who always hated to get stuck behind a bike while driving, I like bike lanes because it means the bikes never get in my way.

              I’m opposed to a vehicle that maxes out at 20mph riding in a lane that’s 35mph or above. For safety reasons as well as the inconvenience. I always felt nervous passing bikes on the road, and often the cyclist would look at me like I’m an asshole for it, but ain’t no way I’m going all the way to where I’m going doing half the speed limit, and it’s selfish for someone to think I should just because they chose to take a slower vehicle.

              Bike lanes solve this problem. Bikes and cars go different speeds, and each has their own lane so they don’t get in each other’s ways and there are no close calls.

              I don’t understand why car people are opposed to bike lanes.

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                If I’m correct, roads were for everyone, then they decided to make it only for cars and the rest has to fight to have small strips dedicated for them because they supposedly get in the way.

                And about the cyclists. They might be assholes, or you might be passing too close or too fast.

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                  Different classes of vehicle that have significantly different speed capabilities should have separate lanes. Bikes, tractors, horse-drawn buggies; it’s a safety hazard to force them to share a lane with automobiles.

                  I try to minimize the amount of time I’m in the wrong lane of traffic. If a car comes around the next corner while I’m passing, the cyclist is gonna be a lot more upset when I have to suddenly swerve back into the right lane. So I pass as quickly as possible. If he wants me to crawl past only doing a couple mph faster than he’s doing, well, that’s not gonna happen.

                  Also, if my car doesn’t accelerate very fast, I need to get up to speed in order to pass. It’s not just a quick little blip when I’m starting from 15 or 20 mph. So if it makes him nervous when my engine revs, maybe he shouldn’t be riding a bike in traffic?

                  I can go slower if I stay in the correct lane, but that gives the bike less space. I can give the bike more space by going into the other lane, but then I’ll have to go faster. Pick your poison. I’d be a jerk if I passed both close and fast. But either close or fast is a practical necessity, and if you get upset that I didn’t do neither then you’re the jerk.

                • ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip
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                  Or roads are too narrow for the guy who can’t even hit half the speed limit to be safely passed and is now blocking all traffic…

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        That’s the magic, I then bike off road.

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      It cracks me up to see bike companies adding wireless electronic shit to bikes, like, shifting and turn signals. Those bikes will die while my 2008 trek hybrid keeps rolling.

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        Man an e bike is the shit though if you live in a hilly city, that one is def not a gimmick lol

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          It’s a gimmick if it requires phone app or internet connection. An electric motor doesn’t need to connect to a server in order to work.

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        The most advanced electronics on my light with 3 different modes that switch when you press the button.

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        Should be easy enough to remove for regular bikes, ebikes might be a little more annoying.

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          If you can’t disassemble your Ebike with a few spanners and a few allen keys then you bought the wrong Ebike.

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    we live in a fucking dystopian nightmare, i hate it here

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      Most states require two party consent to record audio otherwise it’s wiretapping.

      Acoustic ultrasonic distance mapping isn’t counted as wiretapping. They aren’t recording your speech, they’re inferring your speech.

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        It’s actually the other way around. There are only 11 two-party consent states. All the rest, plus DC are single-party consent, but usually the single consenting party has to be one of the participants of the conversation.

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        Most states require two party consent to record audio otherwise it’s wiretapping.

        That was before multi-billions dollars companies found a way to monetize this. Then they’ll intensively lobby pay lawmakers to amend the laws so that either cars get a waiver or starting up the car will be considered as a consent.

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      Wait, so regular “lip reading” is looking at someone’s lips to determine what they’re saying.

      Add “acoustic” and it involves sound. So… sound-based lip reading? Isn’t that just recording something with a microphone with the “lip reading” part being unnecessary?

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    Just get whatever car you want, disconnect the cell network antenna, and connect that wire through a resistor to ground. The car will forever think it’s outside of cell signal range and will operate with none of the connectivity features, none of the spyware, none of the ‘emergency’ controls.

    There’s maybe still a bit of concern about your car preserving data on its internal storage that you’d rather it not preserve, but other than that, this is a simple fix that solves all the ‘car is too high tech’ issues. If you don’t know how to do it yourself, I’m sure you can find some independent mechanics who will do it for you.

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      Ah congrats, not only have you voided your warranty, but your insurance company now refuses to insure your vehicle, and it cannot be legally driven.

      That is where this is headed.

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        Where it’s headed? Maybe

        But that’s definitely not where it is now. A small, reversible modification like this won’t void your warranty in any meaningful way (unless you then go in to make a warranty claim about your connectivity features not working). And no insurance company is going to care whether you’ve disconnected the internet connection antenna – even if they wanted to … how would they know?

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          The insurance companies already have dongles that “give you a discount” (read: price-gouge anyone not using them) for snooping on your driving. I’m sure they’re very excited for that functionality to be built into all cars so they have an excuse to make it mandatory for providing coverage.

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          Insurance wants the data so they can use it jack your rates up and have even more excuses to not cover claims.

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      There’s probably a fuse you could just pull instead that shuts down that entire system

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        Possibly… But it’s likely that the internet modem is integrated together with the car’s radio head unit, or at least pulls power through the same fuse. Since it’s fairly unlikely that they have a single fuse that only powers the cell connection, the fuse-pulling approach is likely to disable other things as well, possibly some pretty important things.

        Going after the antenna wire ensures that you only disable the internet connection, nothing else.

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          I’m doing both. I want these systems totally offline. If I could, I’d tear them the f out of the car entirely. This shit is evil.

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      Fwiw your second paragraph is reality. Mechanics automatically upload the stored data when they jump through the licensing and computing hoops to clear codes, update serial numbers for replacement parts, etc

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    I mean you don’t own public transit anyway so maybe this will renew a public transit push.

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      Buses already have cameras, and it’s only a matter of (not much) time before a genius proposes to add face id and “behavioral assessment” by AI.

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    I would be a bit more in agreement if they added things like automatic speed throttling based on the current road’s speed limit. That would be a big advancement in safety. But I assume people will readily keep buying cars with constant surveillance, however find it unacceptable if they can’t break the speed limit.

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        I can elaborate, I just thought it’s obvious.

        Companies don’t patent things because they have a product and they want to sell it, because they think it may make them profit in the future or even because they thin it’s a good idea in general.

        Companies get patents when they find an idea novel enough to patent it. They want to have big portfolio of patents for two main reasons:

        • investors like it. They think the company is innovative and intellectual property adds value to the company. it basically looks good to have a lot of patents

        • it’s ammunition in patent wars. If your competitor tries to sue you for infringing on their patents you can always find some patents in your portfolio where you can claim that they infringe them and sue them in retaliation. A lawsuit can turn in to a negotiation. The more patents you have the more protection from lawsuits

        Patenting something doesn’t mean company is about to turn it into a product. It just means they managed to patent something. When I worked in IBM the company was giving bonuses for successful patent applications. It was a requirement for some higher managerial positions to get some patents for the company. The process was simple: you send your idea to the lawyers, they check if the idea is patented already, if not they apply for the patent. It had nothing to do with IBMs business plans. It was purely legal evaluation.

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    Why does this video feel like AI? Not trying to cast doubt on the content by any means - fuck car manufactures (and iirc Mercedes is already doing something similar), but the random speeds and weird inflections make this feel like AI slop.

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      Pretty sure it’s slightly sped up, which might be giving it an uncanny feel.

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        Oh that makes sense. I specifically don’t watch videos sped up because I hate how it feels lol. It’s hard not to be suspicious of everything I see on the internet though too.