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67 brands of shampoo from 3 different multinational corporations whose CEOs are all best friends
flips it over
palm oil
“yep…”
Even the first kind of freedom, for millions of Americans, is limited to whatever Walmart sells.
Cause there are no other shops left where they live.Also it’s the freedom to choose between shampoo from Unilever and also shampoo from Unilever, but yellow.
That’s America, not capitalism.
Europe, Canada etc, the unemployed have medical coverage.
Even setting aside America’s bullshit Medical industry, yanks have really weird ideas about freedom.
As an Australian the American concept of freedom always seemed nuts, even pre-Trump. Yes American’s have the freedom to carry firearms, but I much prefer the Australian freedom to live without fear of being shot.
Americans do not fear being shot on the daily either.
Americans do not fear being shot on the daily
Maybe if they did, something would be done about all the shootings
Wow what an original thought and original suggestion nobody has ever thought of that
If you get stopped by the police because you’re driving too fast or driving erratically, is there any chance they would draw their firearm during that interaction, even if they dont point it at you?
Not to mention their ridiculous belief in their right to drive over the speed limit without consequences. Canada included.
Ah, yeah I suspect a lot of Australian’s do that too.
Perhaps not over the speed limit, but loads of drivers definitely feel as though they’re entitled to zoom around right on the limit and any impediment to their passage is an outrageous insult.
For now…
Always has been.
It is still capitalism, and capitalism is based off of exploitation regardless of whether you have health insurance or not.
One form of capitalism.
Okay but none of that makes the posted message true for most places.
I just wish we had full pharmacare in Canada. I know we got a partial rollout but I got laid off and lost my insurance and the actual price of some of my medicine is way crazier than I expected.
The last time I went to pick up medication, it cost me $450 (CAD) for only for 3 prescriptions which insane. Its nearly half of my EI which already pays less than what my rent is
Luckily I actually just got hired by another place and should have insurance again but damn, our system is still terrible
The sole fact that mostly capitalist countries provide healthcare for the unemployed is by no means a testament that capitalism is fundamentally compatible with this idea.
No country is purely capitalist or socialist - it’s always a mix of the two. Sometimes it’s a somewhat even balance, like in some European states. Other times one clearly dominates, like in the USA.
Universal healthcare is a concept deeply rooted in socialism. It functions within mostly capitalist countries, because they’ve decided to implement some socialist policies. Not because it follows capitalist thought. Because it doesn’t.
The sole fact that mostly capitalist countries provide healthcare for the unemployed is by no means a testament that capitalism is fundamentally compatible with this idea.
That’s a wild take. “The fact this exists perfectly fine in a capitalist system doesn’t mean that it’s compatible with a capitalist system!”
Don’t let such a low bar lead you to complacency
You think its 63 choices but it’s actually 2 when you follow the money back to the parent companies. Oh, and you’re prematurely bald thanks to the stress
The freedom to speak your mind and live the life you want. So long as it conforms to what the ruling class decree.
No because you see you’re free to start your own telecoms company or hospital or bank with the money from your trust fund
Spoiler …all 63 brands of shampoo are owned by the same shareholders and shadowy investment firm
Freedom to smoke cigarettes after being born in 2008 🦅 🇺🇲
These are two completely different kinds of ‘freedom’, that the English language coincidentally calls the same thing. All the other languages that I know of clearly distinguish the two. Interesting, isn’t it?
So does English. The word everyone is confusing is liberty. We do not have freedom in America as is sold. We have liberty. Someone convinced too many they were the same thing.
liberty: The state of being free from oppressive restrictions or control imposed by authority on one’s way of life, behavior, or political views
That’s the one they’re trying to dismantle right now…
As the song goes “freedom is just another word for ‘nothing left to lose’”
Let’s ban all marketing, see what happens. They’re the ones peddling bullshit.
63 choices of shampoo, but only 3 choices of automobile
Positive versus negative freedom. Always mix up which is which tho
Capitalism is a shit show and having healthcare tied to employment is horrible but is this person arguing that having a lot of options to choose from is a bad thing?
is this person arguing that having a lot of options to choose from is a bad thing?
What if those options are nothing more than bread and circuses to distract everyone from the growing dystopia that the sellers of those options are creating?
Monoculture farming and usurping native species is a significant contributor to green house gases and it destroys the ecosystem. Run off water contains nitrogen from fertilizers. Don’t get me started on insecticides and insecticide resistant crops that one company has a monopoly on, they have won lawsuits against farmers for growing last year’s seeds instead of purchasing new ones.
It is absolutely not all farmers but unfortunately farms are going bankrupt and their properties get rolled up into a portfolios and sold. And if you’re a lucky* farmer then you lease areas of your land to the mega farming corp instead of out right losing your property.
Shampoo is distracting people?
Thats an impressive level of missing the point.
That’s the example they used. There’s good reason for there to be tons of different shampoos. People have all different kinds of hair and conditions that make it so one size can’t fit all. Tons of products are like this. Even if the product is just for entertainment, why is it such a bad thing to have a lot of choice?
I think most people are in favor of having lots of different products to choose from. The point of the post isn’t that it’s a bad thing, the point is that freedom should mean more than just having a wide variety of products to choose from.
is this person arguing that having a lot of options to choose from is a bad thing?
Probably. In a nation where 56 people are dying from malnutrition every day, having 11 different brands of cheese balls is a disgrace.
That isn’t why people are starving.
Nor did I claim that.
Then why are you bitching about it?
Based on my observations, the freedom a lot of 'Muricans are thinking about is the freedom to be racist/sexist/ableist/homophobic/transphobic/xenophobic/islamaphobic/antisemitic/misanthropic/all-around intolerably intolerant assholes
“Ha nice try! That is not real capitalism! You think workplaces would just give workers health insurance under a free market? They would just tell sick workers to figure it out themselves and replace them with healthy ones if needed!”
“Some of the first evidence of compulsory health insurance in the United States was in 1915, through the progressive reform protecting workers against medical costs and sicknesses in industrial America. Prior to this, within the Socialist and Progressive parties, health insurance and coverage was framed as not only an economic right for workers’ health, but also as an employer’s responsibility and liability—healthcare was in this context centered on working-class Americans and labor unions.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_in_the_United_States#The_rise_of_employer-sponsored_coverage)
