These people don’t even consider by mistake the impact that their childish retaliation has on the environment, I find it deeply depressing
My first tought. Dickheads.
Except the wealthy are going to be fucking the environment regardless. If we can lock up their wealth in buying new furniture, that might rpevent them from buying a new yacht this year.
There is no possible way for me to generate a signifcant amount of pollution, whereas a single one of these fuckers generates as much as a million americans. If you guys arent going to take stopping them seriously, then pissing them off is the only morally correct decision.
General strikes, rent strikes and boycotts are far more effective ways to lock up wealth. The possible downside is that if you’re reliant on investments, those are gonna take a hit too. I’m ok with this, but my parents won’t be.
God forbid your 2 ton hunk of metal doesn’t get free storage everywhere you go.
While I do agree that cars take up far too much space, charging a guest for parking is a bit of a dick move under most circumstances.
Edit: How much of one depends on circumstance. A dense city with a public transit system is a much different beast than a more inaccessible area. The hotel next to the conference center two tram stops from a park-and-ride has a pretty damn good case for charging for parking.
It still takes up space, that you either have to rent/buy extra as hotel or can’t use for more sensible stuff. If anything, if parking is free, everybody is paying the fee even if you don’t use parking.
Yes. It’s truly infurating how non car owners are forced to subsidize the ever loving shit out pretty much every aspect of car ownership, and then ignorant car brains have the nerve to complain about a small parking fee or gas prices, all while their mode of transportation is pretty much uniquely responsible for unimaginable death, injury, and ecological destruction.
Yeah, charging for hotel parking in NYC, DC, or a dense part of Seattle is an entirely different beast from charging for it in Montana or the outskirts of a national park. The question comes down to if it’s reasonable for you to have gotten there without a car and if it’s reasonable for you to get around where you’re going without one. For places where not having a car with you is unreasonable a parking fee feels like a hidden fee for everyone, where for somewhere you probably flew into and can take public transit around it’s charging for an extra amenity.
That parking lot could have been another freaking hotel instead of car storage, and you’re saying it should be free.
Yep I am.
Most hotels would have a good case to charge for parking if we had things like land value taxes.
Sadly people seem to struggle with thinking in terms that aren’t black and white. A position like yours seems to blow their mind.
While I do agree that cars take up far too much space, charging a guest for parking is a bit of a dick move under most circumstances.
They always charge for parking, the difference is in whether they just charge the people that actually show up in a two ton tin can, or just charge everybody regardless of how they got there, in which case it’s just worked into the price of the room.
Whether visible on the bill or not, there’s no scenario where the price of the land your hotel sits on doesn’t factor into the price of your stay.
Which to me also leaves zero moral space for retaliatory b.s. like keeping the water running or destorying furniture.
While I do agree that cars take up far too much space, charging a guest for parking is a bit of a dick move under most circumstances.
It’s really not. Most of the time this is because the local jurisdiction taxes parking in some way, and as is always the case in the US, the local business isn’t going to absorb those fees.
Either pay for parking directly, or pay for it in the cost of the room regardless if you parked or not.
Charging for limited stuff makes sense, otherwise the hotel would need as many parking spots as it has beds
There are so many places in the US that are functionally impossible to travel to, without some very expensive and impractical transit.
Hotels charge parking to make extra money. They need you to drive to them for vacation, otherwise they would go out of buisness
the average hotel stay is not for vacation, it’s for work. monday-friday morning is primarily workers, friday-sun morning are usually the vacationers/visitors/etc. resorts and stuff? all vacation all the time. but your local hilton? not so much
Oh I feel that too, traveled for work so much in 1 year I managed to get top rewards for a chain.
The hotels that charged parking were the ones we rarely stayed at and typically were in more touristy areas. The hotel right off the interstate didn’t charge for parking. Honestly most hotels don’t charge parking
For a hotel in the US, Yes.
???
Of all the extra fees, parking fees seem like some of the most sensible…
When cars are sacred :)
Honestly, hotels are the one place where I think parking should be free (included in the price, anyway).
I stay there when I’m traveling. There’s a decent chance it’s either a road trip or I’m flying somewhere and probably renting a car to get around. I don’t make a habit of staying at hotels near my home.
There’s a bunch of places where you go in your own city, those make more sense to have paid parking because you could more reasonably use public transit or walk.
When parking is included in the price, people who visit without a car pay for a service they don’t use.
Of course if literally no one arrives without a car, then it’s easiest and most transparent to include it.Yep. Plus, if my group carpools but sleeps in multiple rooms, we only have to pay 1 parking fee. If the fee is included then we’d pay per room instead of per vehicle.
It’s a hotel, most people would arrive by car unless it’s downtown in a big city (good case for paid parking)
If you are talking about North America, then that might be true. But a lot of other countries have extensive train systems where even ruraler places are well connected. Add hotels close to bike trails and you’ve got two two examples of people not necessarily arriving by car.
Trouble with trains is you’d likely have to take multiple trains (unless heading to a major city) with a bunch of luggage. I find it easier to drive, my car could easily fit an entire family’s luggage and it’s not even an SUV. So can a rental if I’m going multiple countries away and therefore flying. On a train I’d just be a hindrance to everyone else with a luggage and a toddler that’s got the energy levels of a thermonuclear bomb.
If I’m paying for your train (via taxes), you can pay for my parking (via an extra euro per day in your hotel cost).
Out of town I can understand getting upset, but city centre hotels usually only have tiny car parks, if any at all.
One of those nuanced things the internet doesn’t do very well at, I feel.
I propose a compromise: Parking is free, but there’s a discount if you don’t need car storage space.
how is this different?
Reframing is helpful.
this is literally the same thing
Exactly. “Free parking” is a fucking ridiculous concept. It’s just making others pay for it.
Are you unfamiliar with what “reframing” means?
Touché, I see what you mean now.
See? Reframing 😁
Psychologically different, humans are loss averse, being charged for something they feel is normal behavior leads to them acting out. Not winning a discount because it’s not worth it is easier to accept. Same bottom line, different behavior outcomes
Because then the price to stay isn’t falsely advertised.
All sorts of comments here are missing the real problem: businesses had a chance to do online meetings. But they dont. So they send people everywhere, staying in hotels, driving up the costs, charging them for parking because they can.
The fallout is everyone pays more. It isn’t just people on vacation paying for this.
Yep, my job just got done with another round of layoffs for “cost cutting”. But you better believe we still have those twice yearly off sites where they fly a few hundred people all over the globe over the course of a year to “get face time”.
The root problem here is car dependency.
Capitalism creates helplessness in order to exploit it.
There’s a beefeater (UK pub/restaurant chain) in my town that recently made their car park pay and display. Their customers have resorted to parking on the grass verges and pavements leading up to the building, causing safety issues (blocking views of turning onto a 50 road, covering pavement and forcing pedestrians into the road; that sort of thing).
I’m sure if the local council started charging them for the damage caused to the green, or even the damage caused by accidents due to their customers choice of parking, the car parking fee would quickly disappear.
Tbh, I’m surprised it hasn’t already. Their car park is always empty now, so it’s not generating revenue, and they used to have double the amount of cars you see round there now… so my guess is people fucked off somewhere else, and this attempt at squeezing just resulted in a permanent loss of regular revenue
Yeah we have tons of empty beachfront parking lots around here too because people don’t want to pay to park. Instead people park their cars up along the local streets. And even if you do pay to park there, the law requires the lot to be empty by 7pm, so nobody wants to fucking park there even if they pay. Beachfront parking lots are a tragic waste of nature space.
It’s time to stop subsidizing parking spaces. Their land use is actually really expensive and that burden should be on those using the land for storing tons of metal, not cross-financed by those choosing more sustainable means of transport.
A small knife can take away some of the caulk around the bathtub if you like to play the long game.
Even better, a bit of melted ice cream poured down the air conditioner vents of your polluting rolling hunks of metal will make your car smell like vomit for eternity.
Jesus, I swear some people are incapable of understanding other places.
I would love to take a train to my vacation destination. Not possible in the US at all. An 8 hour drive can become a 16hr bus or train ride that costs double that of driving.
I live in a country now that has good trains and buses. I love it, it’s 100% better.
But I can’t bring myself to be so pissed at someone that wants a family vacation and has to drive due to their country’s failure to implement public transit.
But I can’t bring myself to be so pissed at someone that wants a family vacation and has to drive due to their country’s failure to implement public transit.
you could use that exact same argument to justify a lot of bad things and systemic failures
I can be pissed at the system and not those forced to live in it
But I can’t bring myself to be so pissed at someone that wants a family vacation and has to drive due to their country’s failure to implement public transit.
Based on all of those “Trivago” commercials I’ve seen I can only conclude that the whole hotel industry is a scam, trying to trick you into giving them more money than what the room is worth.
Good lord, the amount of people who are unwilling to state what their issue is and actually take an action that will change the problem is ridiculous. Nothing suggested in the comments or the post will ever make a connection in the minds of the hotel’s owners or managers. You’ll add to their bottom line, sure, but the hotel going out of business isn’t necessarily a good thing, considering the building will sit there for a few years, be sold to another chain, and reopen. The other hotels in the area are probably charging the same parking fee, or just folding it into their total cost. Maybe since the first hotel closed, they’ll get to tack on more fees with less competition. You’ve accomplished nothing except adding more waste to the junkyard/garbage dump.
Get your ass onto a review site, clearly explain what you’re annoyed with, and state you won’t be going back. Go to another review site, repeat. Repeate. Repeatay. One, it makes the issue clearly visible to other people who might now choose to stay elsewhere, and two, it costs the hotel the same (well, maybe the same) amount of money but now they have an incentive to change whatever it is that annoyed you because of people choosing to stay elsewhere until it’s changed.
God forbid you pay for the things you use. 🙄
It depends on the hotel but one strategy I’ve found is to tell them you didn’t drive or aren’t parked there as a bold face lie. They can barely pay staff to clean the rooms and they don’t patrol the parking lot. If they erroneously tow a guest or employee who forgot their permit or mid-remembered their license plate that would be really bad for them - it’s not worth the risk.
They just have a company like inpark run their lot, they don’t need to do or pay shit. The company tows and charges all on its own.
That’s a great way to get your car towed.
The one time I paid a hotel for parking you needed a card to make the gate go up just to get in the lot
Even the anarchist cookbook wasn’t this evil
