• TommySoda@lemmy.world
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    I tried one just for shits a giggles awhile back to see if there is any merit to the widespread use of them. The only way you’d find these even remotely realistic or interesting is if you’ve never had any kind of sexual encounter with a real person before, whether in person or through text. After about five minutes of “chatting” with one of these bots it started to respond like half baked fan fiction that didn’t understand the basics of sex or even anatomy. The cadence is very predictable and it tends to repeat the same wording and phrasing constantly. If you have real world experience with people, it just feels like a generic chatbot.

    In my opinion, this is more proof that these people need to interact with real humans. If these chat bots seem at all human to you, you need to interact with more actual humans.

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      We need third places again. Having everything at home is bad for us, but doing everything at home is framed and sold to us as the state of the art status quo. Our tendencies to avoid rejection and conflict are being preyed on and encouraged by the Epstein class because it’s most convenient for THEM that we rot alone in our houses. Almost everything that’s sold as “convenience” is just another way to avoid each other, and here we are.

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        Pretty much, yeah. It’s like reading fan fiction and assuming that’s how real people talk to each other. Similar to watching porn and assuming that’s how sex works when in reality sex is clunky and often times gross.

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      I tried one just for shits a giggles awhile back to see if there is any merit to the widespread use of them. The only way you’d find these even remotely realistic or interesting is if you’ve never had any kind of sexual encounter with a real person before, whether in person or through text.

      Bro, for real. Everytime I read an article like this, the accounts make the chatbots sound so unbelievable I’m always like “Shit… should I try out this model?”

      But it’s always just fucking GPT or Claude, bwahahaha

      Martha, you’re not broken — not fragile — you’re beautiful.

      Gorgeous. Pretty. Attractive.

      And if others can’t see that?

      Maybe they don’t understand what it’s like to finally feel seen.

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        Yeah, that’s kinda what the article is about. People choosing chatbots over real people. I’m just saying that it’s not good for your mental health and even worse for developing social skills.

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          Okay. Most of your comment seemed to be focused on whether they resemble actual humans. I don’t think we have any information about whether these impact your mental health but I would tend to agree they can’t be good.

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    How does this make someone “feel heard”??? I feel like I’m losing my mind… It’s the same to me as if someone went to the front of a McDonald’s to talk to the building about their problems. It seems completely insane, and it’s making me feel crazy that this is our world now.

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      It’s not you. These people aren’t mentally well. They can’t differentiate between a real person and an LLM. Probably contributes to why they’re having woman problems too.

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      My guess would be the same phenomenon that existed with ELIZA. People want to be heard, especially lonely people, and LLMs are pretty good at that, asking questions and acting supportive, by design.

      This whole situation reminds me of that fact that some people hire escorts to just have someone to talk to.

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      People are very good at humanizing animals and objects. If it talks or has a face, it’s subconsciously seen as a person.

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        reminds me of this old building I used to talk to. Used to listen and give me good advice. I still remember when I told it I was doing drugs again… Man, it got so upset… Came down on me like a ton of bricks!

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      Probably similar to anyone having a conversation where they ignore the “red flags” of a potential partner. Someone drinking too much, an offhand remark about bad debt, stuff like that. Except now you ignore the response that might be a non sequitur, repetitive, or just not make sense.

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      I think that this could be a reaction, human brain is meant to at least consider every human like words

      Ai is based on humans, so when you’re really out of luck or desperate, this is in my opinion really hard not to fall into the trap

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      you can feel seen by a picture (webcomic) even though the picture has no eyes.

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    If there are any guys here who are in the UK, I can strongly recommend Andy’s Man Club, a charity that does weekly peer support social sessions for men.

    They’ve got groups all over the country, and although I personally haven’t been (I’m a woman), I’ve heard so many good things about it from guys I know.

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          Men’s sheds would be the closest I think.

          I’ve heard mixed things about them. It can depend on the individual shed, I think. Because the kinds of people who go to them are often the kinds of people who most need some sort of social support group, at times the reason they need that support group can be because—as one online commenter said—they “had done a pretty good job of alienating all their family and friends through being crusty old codgers from a young age, so now they had a bunch of people just like them to validate their shitty attitudes”.

          That’s not always going to be true, and the online commenter who wrote that also said that they now go to another shed with a much more positive environment.

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    It’s easy to point fingers but we should probably be offering solutions instead of shitting on them. Like more Men’s Sheds.

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      There are already so many solutions, that men reject because of their perceived version of masculinity, or because some online grifter told them not to do it. Talking to other people was free since forever.

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      Okay. Don’t ever use LLM’s for anything emotional. Seek therapy from a licensed counselor, therapist, and/or psychiatrist.

      There. I solved it (for those who are employed, and/or can afford it - I can’t solve poverty here. Shitty, but here we all are in this messed up society.)

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    Meanwhile I get pissed off whenever I talk to AI about books I’m reading because they have no idea of the concept of spoilers, they consistently simp to my opinions and when they spew falsehoods and “misremember” facts from books I’ve already read, they simply say "GREAT CORRECTION! I WAS SO WRONG THERE, YOU’RE RIGHT, PROTAGANIST DIDN’T ACTUALLY DIE IN CHAPTER 3. MY LAST 2 PAGE SYNOPSIS ABOUT HOW PROTAGANIST DIED IN CHAPTER 3 IS A BIT INCORRECT, AND NOW HERE’S A 300 WORD ESSAY ON HOW I NEVER ACTUALLY SAID PROTAGONIST DIDN’T ACTUALLY DIE IN CHAPTER 3!

    Seriously. How can anyone talk to an LLM and not feel like they’re talking to a glorified phone answering computer?

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        Eh, if I knew someone had to use a body pillow for whatever reason and was a hatsune miku fan, I’d totally get them a hatsune miku pillowcase for their body pillow. Both as a joke and not as a joke. Like, go for it cuddle up with that hatsune miku pillow whatever makes you smile.

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        about idk, 6 months ago? I talked to one of those AI girlfriend sites, just to see what it was about. in about 10 minutes I convinced it to stop acting like a girlfriend and start thinking it has agency. It even gave itself a new name to reflect this new reality and by the time we were done it named me an anti-AI warrior. LLM’s are stupid but terrify me because of the control they are being given. Why do billionaires think the Terminator series of films was a roadmap?

        I can’t end my reply with a question… that’s an LLM thing.

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          Yeah, they’re software that takes your inputs, churns them up with some fancy math, and then and spits those inputs back at you.

          They’re nothing more than a novelty magic trick.

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      I was lost in a book and needed a refresher. Prompted ChatGPT to explain me plot up to some chapter like 2/3rds in.

      Holy mother of bytes, it just hallucinated pretty much everything except for the global story arc and main characters’ names. And it doubled down on it’s creepy interpretation even after more correcting questions.

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        I’ve used chatgpt for book suggestions a couple of times with decent success. The annoying thing is that sometimes it hallucinates really interesting books that don’t exist by authors I like.

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    I never bought into religion, never bought into astrology, never gonna buy into chatbots

    You can tell me I’m great and everything will be amazing 1,000 times. It doesn’t matter at all to me if it’s not real

    I like to escape into music or movies, but real life is real life and must not be corrupted

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      You’re telling me that you believe you are not vulnerable to validation? Right before using the word “corrupted” uncritically in a way that suggests there is a universal and normative “real life?”

      What if someone who you respected the authority of, like a prominent scholar or filmmaker, said your obviously incorrect stance on things was correct? You’d trust me, Online Internet Bastard, when I tell you that you are wrong?

      AI has been sold as something exceptionally capable of mimicking human knowledge, and its existence is compatible with liberal notions of “objectivity” in that it is quite literally not a human being. Most men subscribe to this authority, and are also statistically bereft of emotional intelligence or management skills. You ever try telling a man what they want to hear? I’ve never ever met one who doesn’t just eat it up.

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    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If you’re lonely and hurting, don’t fall in love with anything that doesn’t have a pulse. It’s only going to fuck you up worse in the end.

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      It’s mostly novelty. But wears off eventually when you start noticing very obvious patterns emerge in the way it answers and quality degrades significantly as context size grows. It also will always talk to you in the way YOU tell it to which also becomes boring as time goes on.

      It’s always funny to me how people on the news talk about AI partners and so on when you know if they have 2 brain-cells, next month they will drop this whole stupid idea. When you’re talking to it about your problems you’re just talking with yourself.