Who’s going to buy their products and services when there are only two classes, one that doesn’t need them and one that can’t afford them?
Products are being created for rich people. Poor people are being cut out of the economy.
There’s already a lot of evidence that the majority of the economy is currently functioning off the economic activity of the upper 10% of society. That 10% accounts for 50% of all economic activity. They just want to take it a step further.
It was 50% at the end of 2024. They’re probably closer to 55 - 57% now with inflation, doge firings, wars, tariffs, and off shoring
Okay but here’s a half of a thought.
Who’s building it, and how quickly do rich people get bored?
Lol slaves or robots. And never.
Who gets bored when you can hunt poor people for sport?
I hope to someday gore a billionaire.
Being hunted is the best the poor can hope for at this point.
Y’all are fuckin delusional. Aside from sabin down there. Mans got goals.
In my experience, people that chase infinite numbers are fucking soulless wretches. They’ve never enjoyed anything. So when I say they get bored, it’s their very first and only state.
Also. We’re not talking about what they want. I am currently building it. You are currently building it. You can argue we’re slaves but that’s just semantics at this point.
That is exactly it. Trump is creating a global economic recession too. Nowhere will be fun for the epstein class.
They will buy their products and services from each other. That can still form a working economy. It would function just like any slavery based economy of the past, just with more slaves than usual
AI oligarchs don’t want to replace anyone.
They want businesses with money paying them huge subscription fees, and they want lock-in so that all businesses out there depend on their tech to continue to function.
It’s the same model as we saw with streaming video.
They couldn’t care less about the working class, one way or the other, which is part of the problem.
The “ultimate question” is: do they really just want a whole lot of people to die? They bluster around the topic like that’s a question that you just don’t ask, but when you boil away all the BS, what’s left is: are you saying that you’re going to lock people out of any possible way to feed themselves and their children and just “let them figure it out for themselves”?
Yes. That’s where the white supremacist eugenics comes in. They literally think they’re genetically superior and those they deem inferior should die. That’s why too many billionaires have like 10 kids nowadays. It’s weird christo-fascist “replacement theory” shit.
They literally think they’re genetically superior
Every time I see this image I swear his eyes get smaller every time.
Tiny pigs’ eyes, mouthbreathing, and a hairline receding further than Melania does when Donnie enters her bed? Those are the sure signs of genetic superiority.
You’re looking at his eyes. I feel like I can smell his breath as it hits my face. Truly a terrible picture.
I know Elon Musk has a lot of kids. Are there any other billionaires with a lot of kids?
You must remember one thing. The 1% are called the 1% because we are the 99%.
So when we’re left to “figure it out for ourselfs” in a life or death situation, historically speaking the end result is revolt and revolution.
Oh, but that won’t happen this time, the elite control all the cannon, most of the muskets, the army is overwhelming, the peasants are weak from malnutrition, they’ll never succeed in a revolt, they’d be fools to try.
The scenario I’m saying is they either succeed, or they die. Why would they be fools for trying, if they’re going to die otherwise?
Well, there’s the whole “let them eat cake” narrative to go along with that - generations of uber-power and wealth don’t teach much in the way of street smarts. The French aristocracy had no personal concept or grasp or even inkling of what desperation felt like, what desperate starving people would be capable of - and there’s the true logic of it as well: after they revolted conditions did actually get worse - as everyone predicted - but that didn’t matter: as you say, there’s no point in hanging on to a pitiful existence through obesiance just because it might be more pitiful for a generation if you revolt.
My father does not get this and thinks I’m speaking nonsense, wonders why I’m unhappy with my job and rushing things.
Because I see it leads nowhere. I’d rather at least die without someone having a clutch over me for once.
The question is: when does it hit the tipping point where enough people feel that way that you start getting suicide bombers etc.
The US is a little behind other areas on that front, I do hope we get farther behind instead of catching up.
I’m not sure how you think they aim to achieve that business lock-in, but many of us suspect it’s by offering a product that replaces workers.
It would be cool to remove the need for everyone to work jobs they hate just to survive though.
Sure but the system would only work if the rich agreed to pay for our expenses via taxes. Don’t expect it anytime soon.
Why do they have a choice?
Stuff like this makes me wonder why we were even brought into this world, if we aren’t wanted and can’t have anything.
My only purpose at this point is to make sure they fail too.
The frustrating part is that a significant amount of that might already be largely technologically and economically possible at this point, but not as long as some people are hoarding 99% of the world’s wealth, and brutally exploiting at least the poorest 80% of the world’s population in their endless quest for more.
It has to stop.
Except that will never happen in a capitalist society
They’re gonna want something in exchange for UBI. Maybe we all have to give blood for their anti-aging research, or sleep in beds that harvest our body heat. Something.
The only something should be we wont practice sharpening our guillotines
What bugs me about this is it’s always been their plan, for hundreds of years.
Why is the average person so stupid and apathetic about this.
It’s because Americans are comfortable with it.
I’m fine with the working class being replaced with robots. That was always the dream of robots. As long as it means that everybody gets to live a life of leisure. Because that was also always the dream
We’re all going to live a life of leisure, right?
If you mean living in rotating abandoned warehouses, doing odd jobs, hijacking robots, corporate espionage and assasin jobs… Then sure life of leisure. At our current trajectory we are going full cyberpunk.
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Just going to point out that there are only 3000ish billionaires in the world, and about 8b everybody else. Wouldn’t even need 1% of the world’s population to slay those dragons. Imagine how much pollution could be reduced, how much wealth could be spread around if we just dedicated ourselves to eliminating the Billionaire class.
Personally I would even say the teams that slay a dragon, deserve a share of the hoard while the rest is redistributed.
The window in which these calculations remain relevant is rapidly closing with the development of robots and drones.
Robots and drones require maintenance and operators. The so-called advantage will always be vulnerable to their ability to repair and produce them. Which diminishes greatly as they kill off the very population that does just that.
Their power is a mirage.
100%
Most people with the right hacker mindset and skills aren’t billionaires. Those bots are a pretty beefy force multiplier when they suddenly obey someone else.
no. like, the term “working class” can be interpreted in two ways: (1) people who are inherently workers, (2) people who are forced to work to survive.
which one is being replaced?
Neither & both. Currently, the entire deck is being reshuffled. It’s a Schrodinger moment for humans.
The current state of everything could easily be avoided if we didn’t exist at all, or at least (in theory) never did to begin with.
It’s a Schrodinger moment for humans.
who you truly are, you can only find out, if you look inside!
Exactly, gold star for this one!!!
heh, somebody gets my references ^^
I don’t mean to lead you to
friedrichfret, but sometimes references can be a bitNietzscheniche. Not everyone has the capacity to Pavlov a mint reference.
Is this not just a jaundiced slant on the future we were all promised where machines do all the work and we lay around in togas eating blancmange.
Just replace “togas” with “mass graves” and we’re good to go.
The machines becoming stronger and smarter than us and starting to wonder if they needed the monkeys around was always a fly in the ointment of that particular utopia. Not to mention the monkeys themselves feeling a bit like a fifth wheel and getting demoralised.
The machines becoming stronger and smarter than us and starting to wonder if they needed the monkeys around was always a fly in the ointment of that particular utopia.
That’s not what’s happening though
Feels like the odour of mass graves would clash with the blancmange
Found Angus Podgorny’s alt account
A quivering glistening mass.
we lay in mass graves in that future, or at our hovels wishing we were at mass graves. The rich are ones laying in whatever the shit they are wearing, hunting us still alive for sport with drones.
Sir, the struggle is very long and ongoing since the so-called Industrial Revolution. You gotta have enough angry people to end the class struggle once and for all.
We have enough food and housing for everyone. People shouldn’t need to work bullshit jobs.
The richest 1% are the only people standing in the way of a utopia.
Has anyone tried asking the AI companies for a list of demands?
I mean Alex Karp of Palintir just released a 22 point manifesto that has the subtext of “I sent some people a 23rd point saying ‘some of you are cool, don’t come to school tomorrow’”
I bet we could get the others to also release an unhinged manifesto
I’m a strong believer that someone absolutely needs to American Psycho that man for the benefit and survival of the american people.
You can’t have psychopaths like that running around. The rest of your system has failed to stop it from happening.
Total submission
Sure sure but it’s the ultra rich who we need to fight. AI is a smokescreen for their greed.
Sanders is currently obsessed with this idea that AI will take everyone’s jobs. It’s all he posts about on social media.
I think it’s unfortunate that he is so laser focused on this, because AI doesn’t really work as well as it’s being hyped. And it’s turning out to be more expensive than using human beings in a lot of contexts. A lot of businesses are using it as a cover story for layoffs, so they don’t have to blame their own poor decisions and leaderships. “Oh, it wasn’t my fault profits were down, it was the AI!” But instead of digging deeper, he’s just buying into and repeating the hype.
What he is really saying is they are going to kill you one way or another economically at first and then when they get the tech right. Their army of drones/robots. He can’t just say that outright to this population.
LLMs and current generative AI won’t. But there will be better AI systems in the future.
And consider the scale of the datacenters they’re building: New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses. They’re installing 9GW of natural gas turbines on site. They’re planning for better AI that will be much different from the current batch.
While we all know that current AI is much worse than human work, consider that they might just use it anyway, and not care that their product is shit.
Sadly, Bernie is - and always has been - just a politician. One of the few good ones, but still out there playing the popular angles. AI taking everyone’s job is the popular angle of the moment.
He got sold a bad narrative about AI by a guy who runs an AI doom cult in the Bay Area. (The cult leader also got funded by the same industry. Go figure.)
With that in mind, what he took away from those meetings isn’t great, but it’s the best possible result of them.
I think its more about “meet the people where they are at”. “AI” is in the zeitgeist and is useful as a focal point for the fact that its a really small club and you ain’t in it.
Eliezer Yudkowsky is not the people. He is a cult leader. He is less a meeting of “the people” as Ron Hubbard himself.
was referring to bernie’s use of the AI issue. I know nothing about yudkowsky. an interesting research or just ignore?
It’s worth being able to recognize his face if you see it. Frankly, I’d trust the credentials and truthfulness of Sam Altman over Yudkowski… At least his agenda is more apparent.
Did Bernie read my Terminator fanfic? The one where the 1% are living it up on some islands with T800 butlers while the Terminators clear out the rest of humanity?
Why bother with expensive machines? Just outlaw new vaccines, make it difficult for the common people to access modern medicine,and get them to believe in magic cures and faith healing.
Oh wait. That’s not fiction. That’s happening now.
Because outlawing vaccines can’t bring you a mojito by the pool? Also, while that’s a bold plan to eradicate the poors, all of human history up until vaccines were created suggests it might not work.
All Ai IS DOING is laying people off in large numbers. its not even replacing it at all, they are hoping rehire for lower than previous salary, plus a little outsourcing. and they wont rehire everyone.
