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But hey, the UK are cool with Palantir.
Same in the Netherlands. There’s still a long way to go
Yeah the whole tax office just decided to migrate to office 365. They had their own in house software for decades and now at this moment in time they decide to move to US cloud.
Australia here. Us too, even our supermarkets.
Fuck 'em. I’m gonna render their surveillance useless.
I buy Quilton Toilet Paper because it loves my bum, and I’m not ashamed to admit it!
Coles is your target. I don’t think the others are using them yet.
Same is Germany, already using it with the police
To be more precise, 4 of the 16 german states use it already (of course Bavaria one of the 4). Others are planning to test it and also federal police was probing it but this has been denied by the ministry so far and in many other states there is a lot of opposition to it. So the fight to data sovereignty and privacy continues. Also in 2018 the German supreme court set up high legal barrier to “automated data analysis” which makes it difficult to fully use Plantirs capabilities. You see a detailed analysis of the whole situation in Germany by CCC here: https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-blackbox-palantir#t=1621
Sweden as well…
Switzerland isn’t. Palantir even sued the Swiss newspaper that reported on it.
Same in Denmark.
That’s crazy considering the US threats over Greenland.
But not Palantir.
The list was just to demonstrate the effects, yes it affects also Palantir. It would likely be very illegal to make legislation that affects only a selected few companies.
The EC insider sources told CNBC that the TSP could include a significant limitation for foreign cloud corporations when it comes to managing sensitive data.
To put it simply, US cloud giants such as Microsoft, Amazon, and Google could be restricted in their ability to process specific data types on behalf of public organizations, including financial, judicial, and health-related data.
Don’t let perfection be the enemy of good. We both know morals is rarely why any government does anything.
I’m gonna go ahead and be first to say that palantir is not good. All the government partnerships with them clearly violate GDPR and the AI framework.
Like, it’s good progress that the EU is talking about US companies now, but Palantir should 100% be mentioned in the same breath. At the least because many EU citizens aren’t even aware that Palantir exists.
Hopefully this new law will also apply to Palantir partnerships
I’m gonna go ahead and be first to say that palantir
Truly an honor to be here for the moment.
Hopefully this new law will also apply to Palantir partnerships
But for the grace of our politicians.
But what about Palantir?
I feel for that poor, struggling startup. And their cute little CEO is just so earnest!
+5 Freedom Points™ have been issued to your account.
PALANTIR is being peddled to several EU countries as a mass surveillance AI, and there seems to be little resistance from the governments. right wing govts would love to moniter ANTIFA dissidents.
The idea is to ban foreign providers. So Palantir would be included.
I sure hope so. Sweden has been cozying up Thiel during this last four year term. It looks line this government is falling in the upcoming election, but I have no faith that the opposition will change anything there…
I really hope Canada follows suit, after Microsoft pulled that shit with the international criminal court they clearly cannot be trusted.
I hope so too.
The Ontario government is welcoming a multi-billion-dollar investment from Microsoft, as part of the company’s previously announced $19 billion commitment to Canada. Through this investment, Microsoft is expanding its cloud and artificial intelligence (AI) infrastructure across Ontario, significantly scaling up the province’s computing capability while reinforcing Ontario’s position as a leader in the tech and digital economy. […]
This expansion in Ontario will further bolster the reliability of its data infrastructure to strengthen the province’s domestic data capacity as more businesses begin to adopt and scale AI technologies. Through the company’s Community-First approach, Microsoft will also prioritize alignment with regional economic priorities, including advancing Ontario’s investment readiness and competitiveness, fostering the conditions for job creation and apprenticeships and laying the foundation for advanced AI innovation. (Apr 7, '26)
Ontario is pretty much the Texassippi of Canada, though, right?
You’re thinking of Alberta
Where hog bosses do favours for hog bosses? Pretty much.
Seconded for UK. Anyone not reading the room right now and following the EU’s lead is about to FAFO.
And perhaps Palantir?
I think the UK health system decided they were cool to sell data to Palantir
Though they’re not really EU anymore at least. Unless I’m missing something? Like yes Europe but not EU.
I really hope Canada can be part of that union, our landmass isn’t overly strong democraticly (due to certain neighbors effing things up) though it’d be an awesome middle finger to the US if Mexico could join as well. Oh look you’re surrounded by people not in your coolition, funny how that happens when you decide to be a complete asshole eh?
Let’s bring everyone up that we can, even if we get used to less because we all have to live on this planet may as well work together…that’s a pipe dream I know but wouldn’t it rock if we all found out how to get along, share and communicate? Again if only.
Mean I get lots of changes need to happen to make that a possibility but not like we don’t have time to work things out and figure out how we can all prosper.
The UK is inept
Except for the Dutch where the government outsourced the Digid - our national ID and most personal information - to an American firm. Despite concerns from the parliament.
But the new PM is a lapdog to Trump because his mentor and former PM Rutte, is so far up Trump’s ass, he can cut his tonsils.
I do agree with most of this, but calling Rutte the mentor of Jetten is simply not true.
Most of what you say is, though.
Yeah it sucks, but I’m happy with my vote for Barbara Kathmann. She is doing some great work to spread more awareness and trying to stop it.
I read this weekend there was a new court challenge though?
Yes but it was struck down
Well that’s fucked. Is there anything left to do to stop this bullshit?
Also I read it was the damn VVD who made this deal in the last cabinet. Figures.
I don’t think so, but the deal is only for 2 years. They will revisit it then and considering the uproar it is unlikely it will go to a US party again.
I’m more concerned by the tax service moving everything to Microsoft 365 to be honest. There’s bound to be a lot more personal data going there and it is not only for 2 years.
And yeah the VVD adore America. They’ve been trying to make the Netherlands into a copy of America for decades. They’re super neoliberal and service the big corporations, very much like the democrats in the US.
The VVD did this to us. And their neoliberal bullshit led directly to the PVV and the other far right garbage.
Big protest coming to my city tomorrow against the AZC, not even people from here. We will counterprotest and not le them near the AZC, that’s the plan anyway.
Yeah 100% agreed about the VVD.
I really respect you taking the effort to counter protest! Kudos 👏 and thank you.
I don’t live there anymore, and I haven’t in decades but it shocks me when I’m back. The hatred against asylum seekers, LGBTQ etc. It’s not the country I remember, that stood for equality and fairness for all 😢
We had 400-500 people gather at the park just south of the centrum. They all marched off, but we are not really sure where they were going (there was more than one group than ours involved).
It’s possible they were headed for the centraal station, where the AZC protesters would be coming from…
Even if the US was trustworthy, this is still a prudent move. Good relations are not forever between nations, and it reduces the opportunities for third parties like Palantir to exfiltrate data.
About fucking time. Make it quick.
Read in the voice of Ozzy
About time. European governments and corporations have been handing our data to the US for too long. It has made our data protection laws pretty much meaningless.
The Dutch government is being particularly stupid right now in stubbornly trying to sell our e-ID system to an American company despite the entire parliament opposing it.
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US didn’t save Germany in 1945. It was a group effort
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US saved Germany in 1945
Lol. 8 out of 10 nazi casualties were inflicted by the Soviets. That’s the conservative estimate
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I mean, sure, but if you are saying that rebuttal is a dumbed-down version of events - what the hell is your comment that he is replying to? “US saved Germany” is way more dumbed down.
Yes, they both had a part, and the USSR’s part was significantly more important. But I know that might get in the way of your American exceptionalism fantasy.
Taking a break from your .ml account today?
Everything I don’t like is tankies!
Yes, this has been my main account for the last year. It’s cute that you noticed.
What do your astute analysis skills tell you about Europe’s collective Stockholm Syndrome that the US “saved” them from the nazis?
I want the EU to realize that the US is being controlled by bad actors and to save us the way that the US saved Germany in 1945. As a citizen, I beg of you to check my logic.
I didn’t think much of it when Merz said something similar, but now it begs the question; are there people out there who believe that the Allies “saved” Germany? Like, with what they did to Dresden, and Berlin? What about Japan? If so, our “education” methods are quite throughout; they can make you believe something very different from what’s in front of your eyes.
They probably already have it
Read the article.
I am 100% for this, and hates Microsoft as much as the next Lemmy user. However… I stumbled into my career by accident, and I feel like shit for it. I’m a Power Platform developer. What are my options to move?
I am in a similar position. I work in applications and our company has migrated everything to Microsoft over the last years. It’s really disheartening especially because their solutions are usually worse than the ones they replaced.
Also, Microsoft sales is really thick with our bosses and they’re constantly pushing us to evangelise their stuff. Using consultants trying to teach us “user adoption”. Especially now that they’re pushing all their co-pilot crap.
I don’t want to do this because their solutions are crap and besides that I feel the users should decide which features they use and which they don’t.
The guilt alone is your absolution
Let me know if you find an answer for that. I’m in the same boat.
Good. Finland just last year spent some 600 million euros on new AI system running on AWS, built by a USA company, that, once it’s completed, will handle social insurance related applications. If you need something like unemployment benefits, disability/sickness related benefits, etc. all the necessary information required to handle your application will be handed to that system.
Didn’t the deal get cancelled?
Haven’t heard anything about that. I think they finalized the deal last year. Election system plan canceled, though.
At least the elections won’t get stolen through American interference. But yeah, I think it passed but the justice system has halted it because it isn’t funny legal as worded, or something of such is what I last remember.
Hopefully. Though, currently the system is so underfunded the AI might actually get more people assistance, but I’d rather it be delayed until these stupid right wing parties can be voted out. And now the train line after the Sello stop is getting closed down for the whole freaking summer for the dumbest train line expansion project for Orpo.
Jesus, even Finland??
Thought you guys were like corruption proof lol
I believe AWS has already tried getting ahead of this by introducing their EU Sovereign Cloud offering. I can imagine regulators would still allow something like this, but time will tell.
Nha that’s not flying. The gag order thingy is still our problem with those « sovereign » clouds… it’s only sovereign until US gov decides it’s not anymore. See SCHREMS and his admirable endeavours.
The European commission is very much aware that a nominally EU company being owned by a US company is still a risk.
Europe needs to invest in proper cloud infrastructure. The only European cloud provider that is even remotely comparable to the big 3 is Scaleway, and they’re still like 10 years behind in terms of features.
This is doing that. When you are not allowed to use foreign cloud providers, you have to use local ones. So they get business and are able to develop new features.
