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    Hey now, let’s be clear. Stephen King did not have the clown defeated by a bunch of outcast youths gangbanging in a sewer. That’s just patently incorrect. Every single part. No, he had the ancient terror disguised as a clown temporarily banished by summoning an ancient turtle from the dawn of time and engaging It in a battle of wills. Completely different and, in fact, perfectly reasonable. Anyone that’s actually read the book knows the outcast youth sewer gangbang happens after that and actually has no bearing on the plot whatsoever. Stephen King’s not some freak writing a book where the entire plot hinges on a bunch of traumatized kids screwing each other to save the world, no; he’s a perfectly normal guy writing about a bunch of traumatized kids screwing each other for no reason at all. Bet you feel real silly now, huh?

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    I am fairly certain that Stephen King was molested as a child, it’s a recurring theme in his work in a way that seems less like an attempt to depict a general/universal fear and way more like he’s just working through his own trauma. IT isn’t even the best example, he’s got a short story called The Library Policeman that is not subtle about it at all. Incedentally, I first read that short story in elementary school, worked better as a stranger danger warning than anything else.

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      There is a scene in the book “It” where the only girl in the friend group decides to have sex with all the others to bring them back together. Down in the sewers.

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        Also, this friend group is all children. Not teenages of age, or even teenagers of questionable age, children.

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      The book has child porn in it. A group fuck where they all fuck the girl.

      Not joking.

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        Describing it as porn is wildly inaccurate, it’s not particularly detailed or explicit and it’s not written in a way that even comes close to being erotic

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        Today I learned everyone with a copy of the book ‘It’ is in possession of CSAM, and amazon and Barnes and noble are actively and criminally distributing the same material.

        Words have meaning.

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          At least in the US, I’m not sure if purely textual would ever be illegal. You could likely get away with a visual depiction of the scence with current law.

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            The Pedophile-in-Chief is ok with it, even though he personally prefers them to be teenaged, he’ll gladly start a war and crash the global economy to defend him and his pedo pals from too much scrutiny in the Epstein files.

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          I think a lot of people never saw it coming. He was on a lot of drugs at the time.

          That said, in every single book he wrote, he has very elaborate scenes where a person urinates themselves. Every. Single. Book.

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              His early work was exceptionally good. Tommy knockers, Needful Things, Salem’s Lot, Misery, Stand By Me, were all pretty good. Not a fan of some of his latest stuff.

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              I don’t know. His books aren’t that great. His movie adaptations are just okay.

              He has some early work that was good and got a lot of attention. It was back in the prime days of horror novels. Right place right time. That’s all.

              With the right amount of cocaine I think you or I could probably give him a run for his money

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                His books are variable, but they usually have like 300 pages of genuinely good character development and scene setting, an inciting horrible incident and then another 100 pages of suspension-of-disbelief. All of the film adaptations I’ve seen are pretty bad though.

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                  Shawshank? Shining? Mist? Green Mile? Misery? Maybe not everything is a winner, but these are pretty classic movies and some like Pet Sematary, Thinner, Carrie, Dream Catcher and many others are not bad movies. The Running Man wasn’t super well made (old one) but a decent movie for it’s time. I haven’t even seen half of his adapted works and I just rattled off 10 movies that pretty universally are not seen as “pretty bad”:

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                  I think, in his case, the more he did the more he produced.

                  However, he’s very public about having no recollection or writing many of his books.

                  I wish I could say “damn, I don’t ever remember making that app. It made a million you say? Wow”

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                I latent agree with that for all of his books, except for the Dark Tower series. I actually think the Dark Tower series is pretty good. It’s very different from his other books though.

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          It’s a weird and completely unnecessary scene narratively speaking but it’s not even close to porn. It’s one of many similar examples in King’s writing, seems like the guy was molested as a kid and tried working through it with his writing

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          Let’s put it this way, enough people read IT that IT got three movies and a TV series.

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    I went in knowing nothing about the book other than there was a supernatural clown in it. When I read that scene I had to stop, then go online to find an explanation of what the fuck I just read (to be fair, I was also pretty confused by the denouement in general) and how it is related to the plot. I was absolutely baffled by the amount of people saying they thought it was fine to have, some people even said it was a good allegory for leaving childhood.

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      some people even said it was a good allegory for leaving childhood.

      It is an allegory. But that is a certainly not a good one and should be not a choice to be used as one.