90% of it is just misandrist bait, and its just an echochamber of misandry.
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Simply, no it isn’t. I took a look, it’s honestly a nice community and doesn’t look like “an echochamber of misandry” Saying this as a guy btw
Speaking as a man: Stop white knighting my gender.
We don’t need your protection or worry.
Women making jokes on our expense does not hurt us.
That is simply false by counter example alone
Hey OP, just wanted to pop in to see how your attempt to garner support for your shitass take on an online space that isn’t meant for you was going.
looks around
Yup. Pretty much what I thought.
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I won’t defend the OP because he’s surely just an embarrassing attention seeker, but in return I’ll say that you can’t really say that there isn’t misandry out there, especially on the leftist side of Lemmy, just as you can’t say that there isn’t a black swan out there (i.e. the induction problem), and in fact there are a lot of misandric women, and you can’t just rationalize it as a “valid reaction to centuries of oppression” because it’s a genetic fallacy. (where someone is held responsible for something they were not involved in because they were born much later, just because they are a descendant of that group).
I checked out their feed since I figured I must have missed a big burst of bad content, but I don’t see anything misandrist. I see a few posts critical of certain men, but even that’s the minority of content.
Even going through comments I see only a healthy amount of misandry. I don’t see any organizing of violence against all men, or even normalizing of it.
If you’re feeling triggered by the things you see in a space meant for an oppressed class to vent then I think you’re just too sensitive.
A “healthy amount of misandry”? Misandry is hate towards men, what amount of hate is healthy?
healthy amount of misandry
??? Bro, damn
it is a class struggle, not a gendered one. I hope you guys realize that.
Just because the BBEG is class struggle, doesn’t mean the mini boss struggles aren’t also a problem.
If you don’t identify as a woman, it doesn’t matter whatever the fuck is going on in there because it clearly says it’s not about you.
Until they start brigading other communities I see no reason why men should even care, let alone actively engage.First let me start by saying that I don’t think this is the case for this community because the “examples” of misandry OP shared are clearly not misandryc, but:
If you don’t identify as a woman, it doesn’t matter whatever the fuck is going on in there because it clearly says it’s not about you.
That’s a problematic logic, imagine a community of white supremacists saying “If you’re not white it doesn’t matter what we do here, because it’s clearly not about you” and you’ll understand why.
Yeah but nah because one is a choice and one isn’t. As a white man I wouldn’t feel comfortable commenting my opinions on any other ethnicity’s problems either.
Seriously. I saw that it was a space for women, and since I’m not a woman I blocked the community so I don’t accidentally comment in a community where I’m not wanted. If the ladies need a space to vent, there’s nothing wrong with that.
Yeah talking about what we would pair with a sweater or talking about our Monday motivations or supporting DKP’s garden adventures is total misandry. You got us.
Fuck yeah! I appreciate all the gardening support!! 💚
I hope you post more pics soon! The weather has turned gorgeous where I am, I hope your plants are enjoying it too :)
They are doing really well. I’ll have to get some up on the next motivation Monday or weekend post :)
My luffas are luffaing!!
no, bigotry against an entire gender, aka Sexism.
the space itself existing is great, a woman only community.
But the discussions that go on there arent.
Have you seen Lemmy at large? The amount of misogyny that’s laid bare doesn’t bother you, but a couple of shitposts from women make you concerned?
it does.
all types of bigotry bother me.
please dont engage in whataboutism
Nah, I don’t play with men who won’t police other men, but will attack women for the “same” shit.
Stay in your lane.
What are you on about? Do we have to discuss sexism against men when discussing sexism against women every time? I personally dont think so. Sexism can happen to either gender and we can discuss both without touching on the problems of the opposing sex.
This guy is trying to have a discussion on a problem and you shove it aside by completely unjustified assumptions about the poster.
It’s not a real problem! He’s fucking lying about what the community actually is!
And you’re just fucking believing him. Shocker.
How is it not a real problem if women are being sexist? I am not claiming that all women are, and I am not claiming that every woman in said community is, but there is some form and amount of sexism present and I think this is an issue.
I like it that when someone on the Fediverse post sexist shit against women in the of “women bad” it almost always gets called out, this is great. The same thing should happen on posts about “men bad” (again, I am not claiming it does not happen currently, hard to judge because such posts are seen much less frequent).
What I would have liked to see in this thread is: “hey, there are some people in this community posting sexist shit, this is not okay.”, the same way you would see in a discussion about an incel forum (again, here for clarification, I am not claiming that womensstuff is a femcel forum). What i see tough in this thread is that sexism against men is not called out similarly as sexism against women.
I will police other men.
Fucking doubt.
Sorry if we don’t just take your word for it. So far, we’ve only you seen you trying to police the ones that hurt your own feelings. If you go on to prove me wrong, I’ll gladly apologize.
What made you focus on this in particular?
But do I tag this user as “troll” or “misogynist”?
I went with
Yeah, this is even better.
yes
I haven’t noticed a prevalence of that there. Checking it just now I can’t find a single example of misandry. Maybe you are just misreading the vibe.
Misandry does not exist.
You do not exist.
Wake up.
Continuing to police women, I see.
Louder for the back!
Misandry isn’t the reverse of misogyny. There’s no anti-men power structures being kept in place by women, there isn’t women-dominated governments stripping men of their rights, there’s no systemic violence against men perpetuated by women in power.
There are certainly individuals that hate men, but misandry simply doesn’t exist the same way misogyny does.
Thank you for your comment.
To be precise, misandry exists, but it doesn’t have the same societal support that mysogyny does. Both exist, but one has a noticeable effect in the broader world where as the other mostly has effects only in limited spaces where the individual has enough control to override the default power imbalance.
Thank you for expanding on my comment.
Institutional misandry doesn’t exist is the more precise parent statement.
You’ve mistaken misogyny/misandry with patriarcy/matriarchy.
Misandry is by definition the hatred of, distrust of, or prejudice against men, as misogyny is the same against women.
You’ve mistaken institutional sexism with individual sexism.
As I said previously, individuals can be misandrist.
“Doesn’t exist” is a weird way of saying “it’s not as prevalent as the other thing”.
It doesn’t exist the way misogyny does. They’re not equivalent.
Lorena and Aileen. 💜 Yeah. I’m that individual.
Good for you 💕
misandry isnt the reverse of misogyny
Except it is
You’re ignoring all the context in that paragraph.
maybe post some examples of what you find distasteful, OP?
He wouldn’t be able to misrepresent what that community actually is about if he did that.
man vs bear gender war garbage
and what man has been alive for centuries? you talking to nosferatu?
Dude, chill out, neither of those are misandry.
Is comedy illegal now? We can’t laugh about choosing the bear?
You found two shitposts. Congrats. Thanks for ignoring the majority of the content that’s actually there.
Don’t you see? Men are so HURT by the bear thing! You just have to choose the man! Come on da lil bear is so scawwy, how could you possibly choose that?
Do you think it irks them so much because it’s true, and they can’t admit it? It’s like every time they bring it up it proves the point. Insane.
This bear thing is so funny. I’m a man and I’d rather encounter a bear in the woods than a stranger man.
You can learn how to prevent or protect yourself from bear attacks in a 4-hour training.
With a stranger, you have no idea how he’ll react.
the actual essence of the community and the thoughts and ideas are reflected not in your posts but in your ideologies
Let’s see you bring this energy to any of the multiple shitposting communities that are majority male.
Let women have our spaces. It’s the only community that’s ours. Women are allowed to be upset about how men at large treat us, how they rape and beat us, how men laugh at our genitals, our hobbies, our passions.
We’re allowed to talk about our lives.
theres no mensstuff community, but I do call out sexist content when I see it, be it misogynistic or misandrist.
Frankly, this reads in the same way as All Lives Matter arguments. The default for most online spaces is male. You went and found one of the only comms where that isn’t the case and got offended that it didn’t cater to you, then cherry picked a few shitposts/joke posts to support your misogynism.
Also, there actually are communities for “men’s stuff” like dullmensclub.
That’s because the men’s stuff community is all of the other parts of the fediverse.
women are allowed. and I doubt its mostly men either.
the actual essence of the community and the thoughts and ideas are reflected not in your posts but in your ideologies
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Very impressive that you can divine the essence of a community, not reflected in posts, just by reading a bunch of posts and making assumptions about them. That’s a neat trick.
Don’t you see that a gathering of women without male escorts is expressly forbidden on Lemmy?
We can’t be trusted on our own apparently.
Women, am I right?
Every time ladies get together it’s always “I’m tired of being treated like an object of sexual gratification! I am constantly barraged by unwelcome harassment whenever I’m alone in public! I deserve to be treated like an equal member of society regardless of my appearance or your feelings about it!” Blah blah blah.
Calm down ladies, just because we continually elect to ignore you doesn’t mean we didn’t hear you the first time. Next you’re gonna tell me you deserve to vote even after you get married to a man and take his name. Typical hysterical women.
the posts, replies, etc
the reasoning, circular, etc.
There’s a distinct difference between hateful rhetoric and good natured blowing off a little steam, and the examples you give are very clearly in the latter category. I take no offense at these posts because I know that the sort of men they are talking about very much do exist, and I also know I’m not one of them. It’s ok they didn’t add an addendum remembering that other sorts of men exist; not everything has to be about me.
Also, by taking offense at these posts, you are literally acting out the the second one right now. Got to appreciate the irony of it.
Edit: I forgot to say, the “for centuries” bit is obviously referring to it being ingrained into our cultures.
I don’t see these as genuine misandry I see them as jokes used to cope with a shitty world state. I post a ton of memes with similar intent. I’m curious to see if you have examples of genuine blatantly anti men content that has zero intent of humor.
Lighten up, dude.
I’m not a woman and it’s none of my business what happens on womanstuff so I blocked it.
Unless you’re in the intended audience for the community, you should probably block it, so that it’s kept out of your mind
Edit to include IF it’s an echo chamber of misandry. Who cares, let em vent. If they dedicated a space for it, leave em to it.
Y’know I had a lot more respect for you before I read this comment.
The casual sexism allowed to proliferate on Lemmy is totally fine and dandy, but a single community for women is misandrist? Laughable.
Ooooo my bad, I’ve never looked at the community I have no idea. I swore I wrote If at the beginning of my statement. Gonna make an edit. Its a womens only space, why would I go there. I do believe everything else is wrote though.
Thanks for the clarification.
I still don’t consider women’s spaces inherently misandrist. It’s telling that there are some men in here who feel that way. Says way more about them and their insecurities than anything we’re doing in that community.
Talking about the struggles we face as women shouldn’t automatically make y’all so fucking defensive.
Yeah, you haven’t said anything I disagree with.
I’m saying it out loud for the whole fucking class here.
misandry is sexism
and im not concerned with the space, but with the things being posted
Trying to police what women talk about amongst ourselves?
You think it’s your place to tell us how to build our community? The ONLY community on Lemmy** that’s only for women? Our safe space?
im no police officer but I think the basic rules of civility and rules against bigotry should be followed by everyone, both men and women
It’s telling that instead of trying to push back on the obvious and pervasive misogyny on this site, you’re attacking women.
im not attacking women
im attacking misandry
You’re misrepresenting what an entire community actually entails and trying to destroy it.
Why is women gathering together threatening to you?
reddit?
Fucking autocorrect. Lemmy**
You should chime in on the ASK thread I posted earlier today, I’d be curious to hear your opinion.
