• NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
        44·
        28 days ago

        A demigod is (roughly) 50% man 50% god. Jesus is supposed to be 100% man and 100% god. That’s less of a demigod and more of a contradiction.

        • Ginny [they/she]English
          29·
          28 days ago

          It’s not a contradiction, it just depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is.

          See also: trinitarianism.

          (/s)

          • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            28 days ago

            Ever heard of the satanic temple? An atheist religion. Heres their 7 tenets

            • One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

            • The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

            • One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

            • The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.

            • Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.

            • People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

            • Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

            • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.orgEnglish
              3·
              27 days ago
              • One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

              Why aren’t they all vegan?

              • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                24 days ago

                Agree, we really should-- and theres great vegan food. But have you tried bacon? I think its a minor miracle that human beings do anything besides masturbating and eating bacon all day.

                • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.orgEnglish
                  2·
                  24 days ago

                  But have you tried bacon?

                  Of course. I loved bacon before going vegan. Well, the umami I got from animal bacon I still get from vegan bacon so 🤷🏻

                  And even if I didn’t, I also saw pigs being put into literal gas chambers and the choice between personal pleasure and not putting intelligent, feeling individuals in death factories was pretty easy.

              • zarkanian@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                4·
                28 days ago

                That’s because they’re from two different sects. The Rules of the Earth come from the Church of Satan, and the 7 Tenets come from The Satanic Temple.

                • proleEnglish
                  2·
                  26 days ago

                  They’re not even different “sects,” they are entirely different belief systems.

              • proleEnglish
                2·
                27 days ago

                What rules are you referring to?

                Oh nvm I guess they edited them out of their comment

                • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
                  1·
                  27 days ago

                  search out eleven-rules-of-earth

                  They’re not necessarily horrible; a number of them are good advice, some are a little strange

                  When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

                  If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

                  There’s one about magic.

                  Honestly, the 7 Tenets are so based, I think the entirety of humanity would do well to use them as their default.

        • Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          7·
          28 days ago

          Even if Jesus is 100% man and 100% god simultaneously cause reasons, that still means his composition is 50% god and 50% man, which still fits the Demi god definition.

          • EldritchFemininityEnglish
            2·
            28 days ago

            Except that he’s also 100% the Holy Spirit (which is also 100% God and 100% Jesus), so he’s like…67% God/ethereal being?

            IDK, maybe Jesus had DID/was a system the whole time.

        • Cethin@lemmy.zip
          English
          5·
          28 days ago

          That’s not a contradiction if they aren’t related. Is god a species? I don’t think so. It’s like saying a cat is 100% cat and 100% cute. They’re different things. He’s not a human-god hybrid. He’s a god who also happens to be human (at that time).

          (Before people go assuming I’m arguing on the validity of all this, it’s stupid. I’m an atheist. The whole thing doesn’t really make sense. I’m just correcting a logical mistake.)

          • zarkanian@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            28 days ago

            Yeah, but then we get into “what is human?” Last time I checked, humans can’t walk on water, raise the dead, or resurrect themselves.

            • captain_oniEnglish
              2·
              27 days ago

              “what is human?”

              A miserable little pile of secrets!

            • Cethin@lemmy.zip
              English
              1·
              28 days ago

              I don’t think those are part of the definition of human. If we develop the ability to walk on water, for example, does that make us not human? I don’t think it would. Human is being of the species homo sapiens and nothing else. That does not definitionally preclude being a god.

        • Axolotl@feddit.itEnglish
          1·
          28 days ago

          So that means that jesus total is 200%, which can be still correctly rappresented as 100%, so he is still a demigod

  • Venator@lemmy.nzEnglish
    18·
    28 days ago

    *pretend to consume it while eating some rice paper circles and drinking a tiny sip of wine…

    • waitmarks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      48·
      28 days ago

      No, Catholics really believe that those crackers and wine are physically transformed into the flesh and blood of christ. Other christians treat it as symbolic, but catholics are very literal about it.

        • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          28 days ago

          Nothing in catholicism can be taken at face value. Growing up Catholic, you learn obfuscation, and to work through abstractions of ideas rather than literal ones. Anyone considering the literal words in the bible was considered some kind of idiot zealot barbarian. Frankly we looked down on the rest of the christians who were limited to what was written on the paper. Only the priests could translate the text into what we actually truly believed, and thats what they were good for-- telling us what was meant rather than what was actually written.

          Its a system that worked out great when the priests had charisma and could sell it, but when they lacked that personal touch it all fell apart pretty quickly. Being a catholic priest looks hard.

          • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
            4·
            28 days ago

            Religion has always been a business plan wrapped up in series of brainwashing techniques. Mystery->Answers used to the a commodity. Not religious? Ostracized from society. If you didn’t know, you paid in, if you did know, you kept your mouth shut and paid in. It was easier to be that showman back in the day, the only mystery left is existential dread, we’re disillusioned with society and government.

          • Venat0r@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            28 days ago

            yeah I know: just saying most Catholics I know are just pretending to believe so they don’t get ostracised 😅

            I’m sure some actually believe it, but they’re definitely in the minority where I’m from.

      • edible_funk@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        10·
        28 days ago

        They don’t teach that it’s literally physically flesh and literally physically blood, it’s still wine and a bread cracker thing, it’s just that they also now have the spiritual essence and properties of the J-man’s divinity. Like, most catholics would be confused that anyone would draw a comparison to say cannibalism, because it’s not literal in the physical sense, just the spiritual. Which admittedly probably doesn’t make much sense unless you’re catholic.

        Source: raised in catholic town by catholic family with twelve years of catholic school in which I actually read the bible and the catechism, all of which explain why I’m an atheist. But it’s funny seeing all the (admittedly understandable) misconceptions people have about what catholics believe.

        • Soggy@lemmy.world
          English
          10·
          28 days ago

          From the outside: it’s all fucking crazy no matter how you spin it.

        • waitmarks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          27 days ago

          You were taught incorrectly then, I grew up catholic as well (also now atheist) and it was made very clear to me that it is not symbolic, it is an actual transformation. This is directly from the US conference of catholic bishops website: Is the Eucharist a symbol? The transformed bread and wine are truly the Body and Blood of Christ and are not merely symbols.

          I remember very specifically that learning this official belief being one of the things that made me start questioning my religion. Like I can very clearly see that no transformation is happening so, it started making me question everything else they were telling me.

          • T. Hex@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            2·
            27 days ago

            I was told in Catholic school that if you don’t believe in transubstantiation, you’re not Catholic. They made it very clear that you’re supposed to believe the Eucharist is literally flesh, and the wine is literally blood. That was the day I realized I was definitely not Catholic.

            • edible_funk@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              27 days ago

              I was taught in catholic school that the entire bible was strictly literal as in everything in it happened exactly as it is written and it’s a history book. This is, I’m sure you know, not remotely the catholic church’s position. Another of my catholic school religion teachers was a creationist, which again is not the church’s position. I’m thinking whoever taught you misunderstood, since part of transubstantiation is that no outward characteristics are changed, only the “substance”. Any halfway intelligent priest would think you’re crazy for thinking it’s literally human meat and human blood because it specifically isn’t. The whole thing is a deliberate nonsense contradiction but I’ve never met a catholic or a priest that would take that interpretation at all seriously.

          • edible_funk@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            27 days ago

            Catholic religion teachers teach catechism incorrectly all the time, literally every one I’ve had has contradicted another. I have my understanding of transubstantiation from conversations with priests and franciscan friars. The whole concept requires that no physical change occurs. The essence or concept of the bread and wine are infused magically with Jesus divinity and his new covenant, it’s a whole thing, but anyone genuinely thinking cannibalism is fundamentally misunderstanding an admittedly contradictory concept.

        • proleEnglish
          1·
          27 days ago

          I believe that transubstantiation is supposed to mean that it quite literally becomes his flesh and blood

  • Hoodoir@lemmy.worldEnglish
    16·
    27 days ago

    Christ isn’t a demigod in Christianity; He’s God incarnate, fully God and fully Human. So we eat God directly. I can’t explain how with any precision as I’m not a trained and experienced theologian with the credentials to make the “how” statements, but we do eat God.

    • real_username56@lemmy.mlEnglish
      4·
      27 days ago

      Some Christians don’t believe that Jesus is God so they wouldn’t be eating God. Also I think eating Jesus is mostly a catholic thing

      • Hoodoir@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        27 days ago

        Anyone who doesn’t believe that Jesus is entirely God isn’t a Christian. That’s not gatekeeping, its like saying someone can reject the prophet Muhammad and still be a Muslim. It just wouldn’t be true.

        I’m an Orthodox Christian, and we definitely eat God every Sunday. The Lutherans also believe they eat God but they define it more like we do than the Roman Catholics do. The Anglicans usually agree with the Catholics on how they eat God. Beyond just the groups named, I’m fairly certain no one else truly eats God’s flesh.

          • Hoodoir@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            26 days ago

            In Orthodox Christianity, the bread is homemade sometimes by the priest’s wife like in my parish. Its also leavened unlike the western Churches’ eucharist.

        • chiliedogg@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          27 days ago

          Unitarians are weird. They don’t believe in the trinity, but are Christian, but also merged with a non-Christian sect to form Unitarian Univalersalism.

          But also, Catholics and most Protestants have a very different view on the Eucharist. Catholics believe in Transubstantiation, where the bread and wine become the literal body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist, whereas many Protestant sects either see the Eucharist as symbolic of the body and blood and Christ’s sacrifice, or something in between (Consubstantiation or Calvin’s very complicated take).

          It also helps explain modern Catholocism’s stance that Protestants aren’t allowed to take part in the Eucharist. It’s not just a remnant of the old adversarial relationship between the sects, but different beliefs on what the sacrament is. They want everyone taking part in the ritual to understand it.

  • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
    5·
    27 days ago

    Religion is a straight up mental illness and by far the greatest threat facing humanity.

    • FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      27 days ago

      Yep,

      But it still has a stranglehold on the world

      There’s no excuse for a developed country to be swayed by superstitious claptrap, but 'Murica isn’t really a developed country, culturally speaking

  • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    28 days ago

    well. good point. How about we just consume the flesh then, not the blood, and we introduce maybe some backroom pedophilia as filler?

    /s

  • csolisr@hub.azkware.net
    1·
    21 days ago

    Catholics are safe on the technicality that it’s actually considered one of God’s aspects and not a “demigod”.