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Ok look, I hate Ubisoft, but this is sad. My condolences to his family. People being happy about this are disgusting.
I agree.
It’s so easy to not be a parasite. And yet this person chose to do it anyway.
Not gonna say I’m happy, but I will not shed a tear for the people who are actively making this planet literally unlivable.
I am just indifferent.
As I am to any other death I see in the media, newspaper etc. that isnt within my actual family.
This thread, the comments, and the people who post them, would be fascinating subjects for a sociological-psychological study.
Just to make sure I’m not misunderstood: I’m calling out the people who are proverbially dancing on the victims’ graves (yes, there were two fatalities). Regardless of your feelings for one or the other, you are celebrating the loss and pain of their friends and families. Frankly it’s disgusting behaviour.
you don’t get it mate I don’t like the games ubisoft makes so making fun of someone who burned to death in a freak accident is totally justified
also his ancestors ran from the french revolution over 200 years ago. this is relevant because… uh…
This is why I hate Lemmy sometimes. “It’s wrong to wish people dead, except for ‘them’. ‘They’ are fare game.” It’s the same BS we’ve been doing for the whole history of our miserable species.
Meh, I don’t wish death on anyone, but that doesn’t mean I have to be sad that a shitty person died.
Nobody’s criticizing people for not being sad. There’s a word for this, “gloating”.
I still think that’s fine. Sometimes the world is better off when someone dies.
Like Hitler.
Yep. Someone like trump. Not someone who made games worse.
Part of the 0.01%, made absurd amounts of money making games worse, heading a company actively fighting against unionisation.
That’s not true.
I don’t see anyone criticizing people for not being sad. There’s a difference between that and criticizing people for being jubilant (not just not sad) about death.
Meh, I don’t wish death on anyone
10 years ago (maybe even 5), I would have agreed with you.
I’m past that shit. There are people that I now 100% wish would do humanity a favor and kill themselves.
It’s wrong to wish people dead
I had this attitude 20 years ago. I no longer do. I’ve come to realize that there are certain rich fucks who are actively harming humanity directly (Hitler, Kissinger, Reagan, world leaders who send the poor to useless wars), and if they died and their death prevented more suffering, that’s a good thing for humanity. Even the rich fucks that just hoard money are actively robbing from the poor to do so, and some of those people die as a result.
How many people does a person have to kill before they are too far gone to save, and are just evil? How many levels of indirection does it take before they wouldn’t be considered evil? What happens if a person indirectly kills millions of people? Is that still far enough to call them evil?
These are the questions you should ask yourself when you try to plot out your own moral compass.
certain rich fucks who are actively harming humanity directly (Hitler, Kissinger, Reagan, world leaders who send the poor to useless wars
Ok, so which of those examples was this guy most like? Lol
The wealth hoarders immediately after that part you quoted.
“actively robbing the poor” and “actively killing masses of poor people” are two different levels of evil.
Are they, really?
Poor folks go through a lot as a result of being poor. It’s hard to express how miserable the constant stress is, and it’s not hard to understand how constant stress and the things we do to try and cope with it directly shorten lives.
Yeah, merely inflicting suffering on innocent people isn’t quite as bad as killing them outright but it’s such a small difference that I don’t see a lot to be gained from trying to differentiate them.
Keep reading the comment you dolt
Wait, why do you hate lemmy for this? I think who you actually hate are humans. Reddit and all the other modern social media platforms have the same issues, because they too have humans.
I wouldn’t be surprised if many of these people are, in fact, banned on reddit because of this behavior.
Lemmy seems waaaay more negative in general though. It’s actually kinda jarring being here sometimes.
Because most of us got banned on Reddit for speaking out.
I guess I have to tolerate limpdicked equivocation and “let’s all be sad some rich asshole carked it” on reddit but why here? Those spineless losers can fuck off back to reddit.
Definitely not just talking about subjects like this.
Yes, but this is just the cherry on top of a steaming turd sundae of other issues I have with Lemmy that I won’t rehash again here. It’s not like my complaining will change anything anyway.
Compare these reactions to the Ubisoft subreddit, which granted are going to skew fanward. On /r/games the conversation seems to be mixed, with a few dancing on his grave, most expressing dismay at his death while still acknowledging the harm he did to the company and industry as a whole. Plenty of people are simply discussing the dangers of small aircraft.
Why are you still posting?
Because I like the idea of Lemmy and the fediverse, so I hang on despite its issues.
nowhere is perfect, but some places are better than others.
Both of those places are on reddit and are heavily censored.
That pretty much nails my feelings. Charlie Kirk is a huge piece of shit and I’m glad he died honestly. But I’d be a worse person if I made a personality out of mocking him for being dead. Can’t we just take the win? Fate decided a bad person was over. I wish that could be that.
Who here is making this into their personality? It’s the pearl clutchers here who are making this far bigger than it is.
People are still posting gleeful shit about his death. I don’t care what anyone says, that’s unhealthy.
Before 2016 (and to an even greater degree, 2025), I would never have wished death on another person. However, the last ten years have been very eye opening for me. There are people whose continued existence on this mortal plane is the direct cause of untold hatred, suffering, and death (all unnecessary).
Humanity, and quite literally the planet itself, would be much better off with them dead. And, in fact, their continued existence is a direct threat to all life on this planet.
Whether or not it’s healthy is a separate question. I can’t say I’m super happy about it. But it is what it is.
Yes, there are degrees and this Ubisoft guy isn’t on the same level as, say, Trump or Stephen Miller. But they are both cancers on humanity, maybe just different “stages.”
Charlie Kirk was okay with people dying from gun violence if it meant fewer restrictions on guns. He fought against minority groups’ rights. He was spreading dangerous rhetoric worldwide.
The Ubisoft guy helped found a popular video game company and was probably just a generic rich prick at worst.
The world is better off without Charlie Kirk. I doubt the world, let alone the video game industry, let alone even just Ubisoft, will get any better after today thanks to Guillemot’s death.
There’s a huge difference here.
I mean, yeah, Kirk was unquestionably the bigger turd but I’m happy both are gone. They’re all part of the same overarching issue with this world.
Them just fixing their shit would be greatly preferable. But they wouldn’t be part of the problem for very long if they were capable of that kind of introspection.
The point is was making had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk other than he was an example of people being gleeful about a death. Which is unhealthy.
Is it unhealthy to be gleeful for the death of someone who promotes and spreads violent and hateful rhetoric and got hoist by his own petard? This is different than being gleeful about the death of someone who is making a hobby worse in one specific company.
You don’t need to ask this. You know what I’m saying. I’m not going to participate in you trying to excuse what you’re doing.
Stop hating Lemmy. For me, it’s my way of communicating that I’m a Misanthropic Anti-Natalist. I can do my part to sway the public opinion that humans should all go extinct. I can spread the idea of humans being the monsters, the true enemies of the planet and all it’s life. I can see it slowly taking hold of the world, people coming to terms with our monstrous nature. Someday in the far future, perhaps we all choose to self-terminate. We are not divine nor special, just meat.
At this point I can’t tell who’s shitposting and who isn’t lol
What the fuck are you talking about?
Is this satire?
The Guillemont brothers were/are not nice people, maybe that’s triggering those horrible comments like “Ah ok, anyways…”
Way to skip over all the documented recent reasons people are posting.
documented recent speculation that we don’t know he was involved with? his brother yves was the ceo at the time of all this drama. Claude was just a stakeholder.
it’s clear that nobody knew who the fuck he was before this thread and suddenly everybody is trying to spin a story
Claude was a director and deputy CEO. He was on the board. He was directly involved in the technical and business management side for years. Calling him just a stakeholder undercuts his own opinion on what he did at Ubisoft as he expressed in a few interviews himself throughout the years.
Just because you didn’t know who he was doesn’t mean the rest of us didn’t. Yes Yves was the face and CEO, and thus the person directly named in the lawsuit because that’s how it works, but Claude was often cited as the quiet force behind Yves anchoring him, serving as operations officer, advisor, and other titles over time.
Yeah, yeah, and Magda Goebbels made a great strudel.
Fuck off.
How do those boots taste?
Fuck billionaires and fuck nobility. Trying to tone police everyone else doesn’t hide the harm that they’ve done to society. Would you do the same if Putin was assassinated tomorrow and lead to the end of the Russia’s invasion of Ukraine?
One is a military invasion of a sovereign nation and war crimes committed against civilians bordering on genocide.
The other is making games with bad monetization and bad business practices.
The fact that you would equate the two shows that you don’t possess the moral integrity, rationality, or intelligence of a well-adjusted adult. Have a horrible day.
Please don’t downplay the harmful pracrices those leaders/executives have on teens and children. They are actively exploting them for money. Just because the harm isn’t immediately visible, doesn’t mean it won’t have lasting effects.
The other is making games with bad monetization and bad business practices.
You’re horribly underplaying what the Guillermot family has done as the heads of Ubisoft. There’s plenty of articles that have come out about how they’re actively (and illegally) suppressing unionization in Ubisoft. They’re also actively lobbying to prevent regulation in the US and Europe.
But of course you didn’t include that because it doesn’t support your argument. Just shut up you intellectually and morally bankrupt bootlicker
They’re part of the same class.
The hoops these folks jump through to justify cheering the death of someone is terrifying.
Why do I need to justify being happy a rotten person ain’t fucking up the world anymore? Can’t I just be happy that the wicked witch is dead?
You’ll probably want to stay away from the Internet when Trump dies then.
Why is everything an all or nothing deal with you people? What causes this?
It’s monstrous, it shows who the piece of shit in the story is and it wasn’t the victim.
Keep licking those boots
Only 4 left to unlock a unique loot box.
Lol, damn. Going to hell for that.
What will you tell him when you meet him down there?
“Where’s the sunscreen?”
At that point you are poor, if you survive that long.
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source?
I’m seeing that they ran a small farming business in a small farming village: https://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/12/06/ubi-uncensored.aspx
As Richard Stallman once said: “I’m not glad he’s dead, but I’m glad he’s gone”.
Can’t argue that. He may not be missed after what he did, but a life is a life.
Oh no…anyway
All I’m going to say is that I was a lead developer for Ubisoft at one point; You may imagine how I feel about this news.
🎉
Karma.
I’m not saying he was a good guy, but he ain’t a war criminal and was maybe really nice for all we know so I don’t really understand how you can be happy about such news.
He and his brothers still maintain control of Ubisoft (even through an attempted hostile takeover). It’s been shown in documents that management have known about but ignored the pervasive sexual misconduct there (in fact promoting the abusers) as well as extensive union busting, employee abuse, on top of the numerous lawsuits for selling/mismanaging customer data, rug pulls with games, and more. Claude Guillemot was an active founding member of the company and maintained his involvement throughout.
Those alone I believe earn the ire thrown at them. I personally add the moral failings of their early overenthusiastic adoption of NFTs and AI.
They very much are a part of the abusive wealthy class treating the world as their personal misogynistic playground.
To argue he was “maybe really nice” is to straight up ignore his hand in all of that. Try again.
What you’re saying is probably true, but I don’t think he deserved to die burned in a crash for such things.
You said you don’t know how people can be happy about the news. That’s mostly what I was addressing.
Ultimately I agree, he should have been tried for his crimes against society and guillotined along with the rest of aristocracy ages ago.
Does anyone deserve to die, for any reason or by any method?
Yes, absolutely.
I don’t know enough about this guy, specifically, to say he directly deserved it. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to feel sad about it, because I know enough to know that he chose to be a part of the systematic dismantling of workers rights within capitalism (among lots of other bad shit that he had voluntarily made himself a part of).
Fuck anyone who behaves that way.
That warrants the dead penalty then. Justice is served!
we know he stole the value of people’s labor.
Clearly not a monster, but he does not sound that nice to me in this whole thing. I guess we’ll never know for sure.
I did a search for his name alongside the sexual harassment accusations, and I don’t see his name listed anywhere. It’s suspicious that so many around him are accused, but I don’t see Claude named anywhere.
Why try to qualify this? Your moral compass is calibrated to “not a war criminal”? Is that your line where “evil” and “they’re ok I guess” is?
And Hitler loved dogs
(Yes I know this guy isn’t Hitler, calm down)
I feel bad for the tutor that was teaching him but you won’t see me shedding a single tear that there’s one less c-suite parasite on Earth.
Good riddance.
Link your Ubisoft account, and for only 3000 Ubisoft Connect Points, you can unlock the new Elite Pro Club plane that never crashes!
I’m sure it was because the windshield was littered with too much HUD.
I heard he was flying around looking for collectibles.
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I’d have agreed with you if he was the direct cause of some people death, like that asshole that got Luigi-ed, but he is not. He sure took decisions that ended up making subpart games, fucked over devs, and all.
He’s a capitalist shark like there are thousands of others, but does that warrant death?
People like you are the cause why fascism is on the rise. No humanity, no regrets, no actions taken, until it affects you personally.
Few billionaires are direct causes of anyone dying. However, they’re always indirect causes of lots of people dying, by their own choice.
Is there a meaningful difference between shooting somebody and poisoning the food and water of 10 random people? Maybe. Maybe not. Ultimately, you’re choosing to take people’s lives, knowing the outcome.
I don’t think people care about whether you’re a ‘direct’ cause, as much as they care about whether or not you’re a deliberate cause.
All of us will probably cause some deaths as we go about our lives. But at no point do most of us make a decision to end someone’s life. Whereas billionaires do make the decisions, and they do it completely voluntarily, seeking profit. They often seem happy about the decisions too.
And in the current case, did he cause any direct or indirect death? Did he chose to cause someone death?
Depends. What do you think about a suicide as a response from being laid off?
Hard to say. Suicides rarely have a single cause. A layoff can be a trigger, but you rarely kill yourself from that alone if you life a pretty decent life outside of work.
Usually I go with “you are responsible of your own actions and words, not what other do or says about it”. So unless he personally pushed someone to suicide, or ordered someone to be bullied to the point of suicide, no, I don’t think he’d be responsible.
The concept of “kill line” is incompatible with such a view point.
Care to explain? That’s not something I heard about.
It doesn’t warrant death, no. But people can cheer the death of an awful person without saying “hey we should keep the streak going!”
And what are you talking about? Our current case of fascism is a direct result of unregulated capitalism, courtesy of neoliberalism.
And what are you talking about? Our current case of fascism is a direct result of unregulated capitalism, courtesy of neoliberalism.
Not gonna argue on that because it is true. Still, fascism wouldn’t strive as it does without those who only logic is “I don’t like them so he deserves to die”. That’s the logic behind german innaction when jews were getting oppressed, and I prefer fight that now than wait for it to be the majority logic.
Still, fascism wouldn’t strive as it does without those who only logic is “I don’t like them so he deserves to die”.
This is a straw man, I don’t see anyone here making this actual argument.
Agreed…
It’s crazy it’s so controversial. Don’t dance on peoples graves.
if he was the direct cause of some people death, like that asshole that got Luigi-ed, but he is not.
Just an FYI, this is literally how every single one of them justifies their evil to themselves.
Why do so many “important” people die in plane crashes in the past couple of decades?
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Andy Cecere (2026 - US Bank)
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Joshua Base (2026 - Capital Factory)
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Christophe de Margerie (2014 - Total energies)
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Petr Kelner (2021 - PPF Group)
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Kobe Bryant (2020)
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Glen de Vries (2021 - Medidata Solutions)
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Gary Knopp ( 2020 - politician)
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Steve Appleton (2012 - Micron CEO)
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Cheryl heinze ( 2012 - politician)
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Alison Des Forges ( 2009 - human right investigator)
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Beverly Eckert (2009 - activist on 9/11 committee)
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wilhemson executives in 2012
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Now the CEO of Ubisoft in 2026
That is just in the US, so many other rich businessmen have also died in plane crashes in other countries. Romania, Italy, Brazil, Russia, etc… Are aircraft crashes just way more common than the companies want us to believe? I was always told that airplanes were statistically safer than cars.
Also why are plane crashes so often surrounded in suspicious circumstances like the IBM plane crash where a ton of executives were killed and immediately following the other IBM execs pivoted the company focus (which kind of led to their downfall in the consumer market).
Rich fucks just fly more overall. While flying is very safe. If you do it more, then it is more likely you will be the one in the plane when the rare thing goes wrong. Quirks of privilege.
Importantly, they tend to fly private aircraft, which I have recently learned are not as safe as commercial airliners. Commercial flights are subject to countless safety checks and have redundancies for days.
The titan sub failed in part because stockton Rush (I couldn’t think of a more posh name if I tried) assumed the similarly impeccable record of submarines was due to something other than scrupulous safety margins.
I can’t imagine people that got rich by exploiting people and cutting corners have the strictest maintenance regime, either.
Guess those rich people are just going to have to start buying commercial jets. What a nightmare!
Riding with the peasantry class? Never!
No. I mean like presidents and prime ministers. They’ll still ride alone but on a 737 instead of a Gulfstream.
Yeah, key detail being, if we started listing car crashes from the past month, it would take up the whole thread.
You mean last week. Cars slaughter 580 people a week.
Because those important people are more likely to be in a plane than unimportant people.
You never learn the name of the “unimportant” people that die in air crashes
We might not learn their names, but we definitely learn about the aircraft and how many people died.
If its of a certain size yes, but the planes that actually crash everyday don’t get reported widely because they’re tiny aircraft
Now that I had ent considered. There’s importance squared. A second layer.
I’m tired of humans. I’m now identify as one of those gay frogs Alex Jones is so strangely passionate about.
Commercial planes are constantly coming and going through every major airport. Do these wealthy people really collectively fly more than that?
How often does Bezos end up in a plane? How often are you in a plane?
That’s the wrong question to ask. “important people are more likely to be in a plane than unimportant people” is valid as a partial explanation only if we assume that all aircrafts have similar crash probabilities and are flown with a similar number of passengers.
The frequency with which I personally fly does not impact how often other people fly. All it does is give you one data point on how often other people in my situation might fly, and we don’t know how many others are in my situation, so that information is also useless.
Let us assume 2 people fly in planes. One of them does so 10 times a month. The other 10 times a year. The risks are higher for the 10 times a month flyer.
In a world where there are exactly two people who ever fly, that would make sense. Now what if there are 12 people who fly 10 times a year a 1 person who flies 10 times a month? Will it be more likely that someone in the group of 12 dies in a plane crash, or the one person who flies 10 times a month?
I see what you’re saying but it’s splitting hairs. The rich guy uses an airplane more often that others do so he’s more likely to die in a plan crash simply because he’s more likely to be a plane the first place.
They fly small planes, in a lot of cases they fly themselves.
Commercial aviation is much safer than cars because there are strict procedures and oversight that applies to everyone involved - not only pilots, but the entire operational chain. It isn’t exactly the same when it comes to small business jets.
Some are helicopter crashes
Rip Oliver Tree
It might just be a frequency illusion or something, but it has seemed like airplane crashes in the US have skyrocketed in the past few years (surely it has nothing to do with the Republican party gutting regulation). And looking at where most of the dates in your comment fall, I wonder if it’s just a probability thing.
wasnt kobe a helicopter accident. and people glossed over the fact that he allegations of SA in the past when he died, the news sure sweeps SA under the rug pretty quick.
I live near an airport that has a private aircraft and jet show every summer. Half the booths are about safety, including whole plane parachutes. This is a well known problem.
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Did we have another Luigi or something?
There’s a huge difference between refusing people healthcare and producing video games people are free to buy or not.
Promoting sexual abusers and trying to cover up their abuse through two lawsuits though? Yeah, not a good look
That means he deserved to die?
Globox Mangione
putin got to him. since one of his other favorite methods is falling out or exploding planes.
