The RAM I bought in 2019 for $100 is now over $500. at this rate I’ll sell it in a few years to put my daughter through college.
it will be ironic when consumers cant afford the end user devices needed to interact with the AI servers. House of cards??
Let me put on my tinfoil hat really quick.
They want to kill personal computing. You don’t need a full blown computer, you need a fire stick style device that plugs into your monitor and allows you to remotely access the virtual machine you rent from Microsoft on a monthly basis.
this has been “the plan” since 2005. when i was in high school trying to figure out what the heck “cloud computing” was, this is what they were talking about: anything requiring more compute than secure authentication and pixel drawing would be rendered in the cloud and delivered to dumb terminals. this is what netbooks, Chromebooks, and smartphones have been a step towards if not an implementation of.
There is no tinfoil about it. Jensen Huang and the other tech oligarchs have openly stated that is their goal.
Even those contain RAM.
Yes, but they can get away with a tiny amount of it. Perhaps we are back at the start of personal computing and arcade machines era, where every byte counted.
Yes, but they can get away with a tiny amount of it
Not really. Developers have forgotten how to write small, efficient code. Everything is a web page these days, and so the bare minimum app is a web browser, and a web browser is huge.
This is 100% the plan. Also, I would not be suprised if in 5-10 years there are legal limitations on what kind of computing capacity a private person can purchase due to “national security” reasons.
Man, this makes me want to take stock of what I have in the attic. Those old computers dont sound so bad any more.
I also wonder if I should be hoarding raspberry pi and building some kind of cluster
Dumb terminals don’t need much RAM. Unfortunately, the minimal RAM would come with maximum rentiership and exploitation.
i am having visions of 3270 screens😉
I’ve come to terms with the fact I’m not going to be buying any new computer-type devices until the bubble pops.
I’m just terrified what happens if one of my existing devices breaks. If a RAM stick goes bad, I might have to mortgage my non-existent house.
In case you are being serious, there are ways around faulty RAM sticks, usually just a few cells/rows are affected. In case anyone needs to know this, here is a pretty good summary on stackoverflow on how to deal with this on linux. In general, look for “memmap”.
Keep your hardware running as long as possible! Iirc newer RAM is unfortunately somewhat more susceptible to failing. My DDR3 is still working fine.
At this rate I’ll be able to sell my ddr3 from over a decade ago and make a profit compared to what I paid originally
It’s a good thing I saved the 24GB of DDR3-1600 from my old laptop. I might actually be able to get some money for it.
Maybe you can finally afford a house with that
Suggested my wife to get mini pc with 32gb of ddr5 ram. If she would sell half of it today, she’d be reclaiming 60% of what she paid for that minipc.
Originally I suggested her to get 64gb one so I could swap mine 32 with hers. She ultimately decided to not to. Could’ve been like 80% if she’d sell 32gb today. Crazy…
I see this as an opportunity to get invested in non-tech hobbies because there’s nothing else I can do
Books my man, books.
Yup, was going DDR5 this year, got a new bike (Marin Larkspur) instead, such a good decision, renewed my love of cycling, having a ball.
Mini painting, get addicted to plastic crack. Seems to be cheaper than tech hobbies these days.
Get a resin printer and you can print infinite minis.
That would probably be too close to a tech hobby and considering what some of the tech giants are doing. 3D printing will be labeled under criminal activity
Already happening. Those printed gun laws that are being pushed in multiple states are not about guns, they’re an assault on small scale manufacturing and the right to self repair.
Time to hit the books, explore the mountains, build a chicken shed, grow something in the garden, buy a plot of land and grow something… Build a house myself idk things like that.
Yep, definitely not buying any new computers any time soon. If anything breaks I’ll try to live with it as much as I can.
Fuck this pricing.
I got a framework some time ago, best decision ever. I can upgrade anything and everything on my laptop when I want, how I want, where I want.
That doesn’t make those components magically cheaper…
I can upgrade anything in my desktop too, but the 4x32gb ddr5 sticks I paid $200 for in 2024 now cost around $1,600.
Ow yeah 100%, just A case for reusability, repairability, and longevity. This might help users to extend the life of their computers, thus long term lower costs for the user itself when extending the life of the machine.
Things are probably going to get worse in the short term, but the AI bubble is going to burst. Magnitude? We’ll see, but when investors realize that these companies cannot make a profit, and open source frontier models that allow you to run AI in house are removing vendor lock in, things are going to change. Also, LLMs are a dead end, and have little room to improve.
Newer paradigms are appearing, such as Yann LeCun’s JASP, which actually learns, and other approaches, which will make LLMs obsolete, and are way less hardware intensive.
Another factor is the Chinese closing in in consumer grade RAM. If it can be proven that no backdoor or other shenanigans are there, they will balance things somewhat.
While current reality is what it is, there may be a massive social and traditional media manipulation by the big three and other interested parties to fuel fear of rising prices forever, to push people to buy as much as they can at these prices. I have no proof of this, but I don’t think it’s far fetched.
And let’s not forget that for media outlets, fear and tragedy sells. (I think Hearst or some other news mogul said that last century.)
Yann LeCun’s JASP
Wait, this is my first time reading about this. Got an ELI5 or TL;DR?
Courtesy of Kagi’s search AI:
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It appears there is a slight misunderstanding of the acronym: Yann LeCun’s architecture is called JEPA (Joint Embedding Predictive Architecture), not JASP.
JEPA differs from Large Language Models (LLMs) primarily in how they learn, what they predict, and how they represent the world. While LLMs are “word models” designed to generate sequences of tokens, JEPA is intended to create “world models” that understand the underlying physics and logic of reality 3 4 .
The key differences are summarized below:
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Generative vs. Predictive (Non-Generative)
LLMs are Generative: They operate by predicting the next token in a sequence (generative AI) 2 . This approach often leads to hallucinations because the model focuses on statistical probability rather than factual ground truth 6 . JEPA is Predictive: Instead of generating every single pixel or word, JEPA predicts latent representations (embeddings) in a hidden space 5 . It tries to learn what is “plausible” rather than attempting to reconstruct every single detail of the input.
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Word Models vs. World Models
LLMs are “Word Models”: They learn from text and treat intelligence as a language manipulation task 4 . LeCun argues that language captures only a small subset of human thinking and cannot represent high-dimensional physical spaces 2 7 . JEPA aims for “World Models”: It is designed to understand cause and effect, physics, and the physical environment 1 . This allows the system to reason from first principles and plan sequences of actions, which is a prerequisite for autonomous AI 1 .
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System 1 vs. System 2 Thinking
LLMs (System 1): LeCun describes LLMs as “System 1” processes—they are reactive and perform a fixed amount of computation to produce each token 2 . JEPA (Path to System 2): By incorporating world models, JEPA is intended to enable “System 2” thinking—the ability to plan, reason, and deliberate before acting 1 .
Summary Comparison Table Feature Large Language Models (LLMs) JEPA / World Models Core Goal Predict next token (Text/Code) Predict latent state (Reality/Physics) Method Generative (Pixel/Token by pixel/token) Joint Embedding (Non-generative) Domain Linguistic/Statistical patterns Physical/Causal understanding Weakness Hallucinations, lacks physical grounding Limited fluency in natural language Cognition Reactive (System 1) Planning/Reasoning (System 2)
Don’t fucking post chatbot vomit.
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Thought I could wait to build a new PC, but at this point, it’ll be another 5-10 years before things start getting better. After the price of the steam machine, I ordered parts to build my own. Such a bad time to build, but it’s just gonna get worse the longer I wait.
If they get better. By the time the AI sector collapses under the weight of its own bullshit, things will have already gotten significantly worse. You’ll be less worried about RAM prices and more worried about bread prices.
Don’t worry you might get $25 in a class action for bread price fixing. I think there should be a class action against the manufactures of Ram and hard drives. Most companies scale up when they have more demand, these fucks ain’t, theyre pulling a classic OPEC
I could crash the prices by tomorrow if I wanted to. All I’d have to do is buy some ram today.
I am figuring on selling off my previous machine once the teething issues with the new one has been resolved. Given these specs, what would be a fair price, Lemmings? I was guessing around $2,250 without the drives, but I am not really on the pulse of the market.
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CPU = Ryzen 5950x + Noctua heatsink with Kryosheet.
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PSU = SeaSonic Vertex GX-1200
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MOBO = Crosshair Hero VIII + WiFi
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CASE = Rosewill Thor V2
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RAM = DDR4 3600, 128gb total, came as a kit of 4 sticks.
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STORAGE (OPTIONAL) = x2 to x5 4tb SSD SATA drives, non-NVME.
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The biggest issue here is doing an RMA on the CPU. It is unstable when PBO is enabled. Since I suck at techno surgery, I wouldn’t be able to install the replacement without forking over money to a technician. Maybe I can make that contingent on buying at least 2 SSD SATA drives?
My new machine has only 4 SATA ports, and the SATA card to support all five SSDs and the optical disc drive is taking up a GPU slot. Being able to buy some 2280 M2 drives would solve that problem for me. That would gel nicely with a technician handling the transfer of the SATA SSDs back to the old machine for the new owner, since the tech can also get the M2 and a third GPU into my new PC.
I just bought a new pc with a top end Gigabyte MB, a 9950 X3D, Seasonic TX 1300, noctua cooler, PTM, and 48gb 6400 DDR5 for $2500, I would not pay 250 less for the extra DDR4 RAM and generally worse specs.
I’d re-look at current pricing and reassess.
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The ‘AI’ angle is purely cover for the manufacturers actively choosing to now behave like the pharmaceutical industry. They’ve identified a window to pull this shit, and coordinated this opportunistic collusion.
The only meaningful response is to create a diverse production base to remove the choke point the current incumbents are leveraging, but that would require a concerted, collaborative effort by parties who can’t see and/or don’t understand the problem.
To play devil’s advocate; it might be that the RAM producers see AI as a bubble, and it would be incredibly risky to expand their production now, when it won’t come into effect until a handful of years from now.
RAM and SSD manufacturers have already seen many many dips and rises in price over decades.
However, that all of them are deciding not to expand and potentially rake in the cash is more than a little sus.
I’m not sure how to feel about it personally. I hope the true cost of maintaining these AI models gets passed down to customers soon so that it either crashes and burn, or at the very least stabilises the market.
These price gouging assholes should probably be prosecuted along with the “AI” fraudsters.
I’m really glad I got my steam deck last year when I had the chance.
No reference to CXMT’s memory that’s just starting to be sold in western markets now, I’m very curious if/how that’ll affect things. If corsair’s cxmt kit can hold pricing steady, let alone drop it, for a 2x16 6000MHz CL36 kit then it could be huge
Yeah there’s a lot of doom here, but I keep saying that there are reasons that they are locking in 5 year price guarantees, it’s because they know it’s going to crash back down, whether it be bubble or normalization or Chinese. It’ll take some time, but it’s not forever.
8Gb of ddr4 is $25 usd and 16Gb ddr4 sticks are going for about $75 usd goes up from there depending on speed.
https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/
This has new 2x8GB 3200 DDR4 DIMMs being a bit over $200 at the moment.
A year back, it was $50, but not now.
I recently paid $120 for 4x8gb 3000 DDR4 RGB DIMMs used on eBay so prices aren’t totally insane just yet. Anything new is out of stock or close to it because DDR5 is/was the norm. It would probably be cheaper to buy server ram if you can get a board and CPU that can use it.
You may hate AI, but it’s not the reason we are seeing RAM costs skyrocket.
Looking at the manufacturing data and the historical strong-arm tactics used by Samsung, Micron, and SK hynix, who collectively control about 96% of the global DRAM market, AI just gives manufacturers the perfect public justification to stop chasing cheap bit growth, starve low-margin consumer channels (our RAM products), reprioritize wafers toward premium products (data center RAM), and force customers into multi-year contracts at shortage-era prices.
Sure it lets them make more money off us, but they really love locking in these rates with their data center-based customers.
And all this is just because … AI demand.
Rather they grabbed a fancy reason to increase prices because of greed.
The few big ram production companies likely had a chat and decided: “Hey, more money? Yea! More money! We like more money!”
But of course they do, their shareholders wouldn’t like it otherwise. Capitalism 101. 🤷
No, it’s actually not because of the AI demand. AI is a demand metric but not enough to cause the hikes we’re seeing and (as the manufacturers want us to) even preparing for.
