• strawberry_enjoyer42
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    I hate it with a burning passion. It causes irreparable climate harm, including self-hosted models (consider where they’re trained); it infringes copyright (and they’re destroying rare books to feed it‽‽‽); it’s causing psychosis in some people, leading them to harm themselves and others; and it’s destroying a lot of people’s critical thinking skills (which I think is the goal: commodify intelligence, though maybe it’s to replace the working-class itself).

    Sorry for the massive block of text lol, I just really, really don’t like it.

    Oh, also (very anectdotal), it seems that on the Venn diagram of anti-fascist and anti-“AI”, the anti-“AI” circle is almost entirely contained within the anti-fascist circle. Just an observation.

    Disclaimer: machine learning is not the same as “AI” (LLMs, presented as beings capable of thought). I think ML has a lot of interesting applications, and I’m actually rather fascinated by it.

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    I think it is amazing that techbrodudes managed to figure out how to automate the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

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      Yes, exactly! I don’t think AI is very hard to learn; I don’t think people who abstain from it “will fall behind” in their lives and careers. Wow, use a plain-language interface instead of the more complex boolean, then add specificity to the query and hope it doesn’t hallucinate. So hard. So complex. You’re so smart, AI bros. /s

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        Agentic AI is more difficult to learn than the chat bot. And that’s where the real value is - so expect to see more pressure there. People who refuse to learn that piece will struggle over time. Its like refusing to use a word processor when those first came out. Probably ok for a bit. Detrimental in the long run.

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          I don’t really agree, at least for the people using agentic AI at the end-user level and not programming the models, and think the difficulty of agentic AI gets exaggerated as well. It’s the same concepts on a wider scale. Multistage and automated operations in software predate AI in one way or another and people have adapted fine, to the extent where it will take a relatively small amount of professional development to catch up if needed.

          Edit: Sorry, didn’t mean to spam this comment! Having site issues at the moment. Will delete the redundant comments when I can.

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            Woops, I think my point got lost in my pre coffee thoughts: People are going to have to learn how to build agents at the personal and team levels - being an end user won’t be enough. Those that refuse to learn, will put their jobs at risk (eventually).

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              And thank you for challenging me on this. If you’re right, there are definitely possible futures to be prepared for.

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                Oh my goodness yes. I recommend both stockpiling toilet paper and learning how to build agents. That way you won’t be wrong. 😉

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              Unless companies make bespoke software tools or SaaS programs for different industries that use agentic AI, which I think is likely since there are many industry-specific software tools made externally in B2B contexts, AI and predating AI. There’s already paid AI tools everywhere of debateable levels of value and usefulness.

              Non-programmer employees being expected to build agents may happen, but there’s too much of a value proposition for external companies to forgo it. And there’s also a possibility of companies bringing in contract programmers who develop those agents, or using in-house IT departments.

              We’re currently in a really awkward early adoption phase where end-users are being given open-ended LLM and agent tools to just play around with, and with or without a crash, I do see the industry shift toward better software integration where the end-users won’t have to adopt this makeshift developer role. And then the adjustment period would be simple as AI tools start to look more like regular software that’s quick to pick up with minimal risk of skills gaps or being left behind.

              I could be wrong, of course, but that’s basically my read on the situation.

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                Agentic AI is interesting because it has the opportunity to create competitive advantage that other companies cannot replicate. And that’s the promise. Yeah, you can pay someone to build a custom agent, but it’s $50k+ plus maintenance for one agent - and it just doesn’t scale. It’s way cheaper to train up your team who can build many agents.

                Companies that delay or avoid training their teams are in for a bad surprise when a new company built around the technology enters the market. It will be one an existential problem that will result in job loss (think Amazon vs brick and mortar).

                My general recommendation for workers is to get trained up on agent building - then go get a job at a company investing in their people, because those are the places most likely to survive.

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                  Of course all this will collapse when the bills come due and people have to pay the actual cost of LLM “tokens”. As users of Microsoft’s Copilot found out not long ago.

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      I don’t think that’s fair. AI always apologizes and admits it gave me bad information.

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    theres no such thing as ai in the way people imagine. we have chat bots and copyright infringement machines some assholes coopted the term ai to pedal. i wish it would fuck off. it rots peoples brains and turns them into delusional idiots incapable of independent thought. every time you say that they come out of the woodwork to justify their particular use and try to claim their use of it is cool and good, but really none of them are. whatever people use it for it makes them worse at doing it themselves. its being used for everything people can shoehorn it into and making all of those things worse. this is to say nothing of the large amount of negatives the data centers and privacy violations bring along for the ride. thats all i have to say without waxing political, so suffice to say i think its almost entirely downside.

    machine learning however is an awesome field of research being used to solve real, complex and difficult problems. its exciting to see what it will be used for next outside the aforementioned chatbots and slop generators.

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      Hear, hear! I did not realise that we were comrades in this matter, and I feel much relieved to know that I am not alone.

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      I think that’s a really important distinction. It’s a fast moving field as well and right now we’re early on. It has a lot of incredible applications that could really help people, so I really dont think it should be written off.

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      Hear, hear! I did not realise that we were comrades in this matter, and I feel much relieved to know that I am not alone.

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    Looking at it now, it’s obviously very bad, but I remember being very fascinated with GPT2 because it was amusingly bad, but I was also very naïve. I didn’t understand just how bad ai is and how much worse it would become.

    I hate to say it, but I have occasionally used it for programming and it definitely made me a worse programmer. Earlier this year I stopped using it completely and I can tell that I’ve been getting better. I keep hearing people say they’re using ai “responsibly” to catch bugs and speed up tedious tasks and I thought that’s what I was doing too until I stopped using it and realized just how much of my thinking I had surrendered over to the machine.

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    worst fucking shit ever, and anyone who uses it is dead to me.

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    Since a lot of people already covered my opinions, I’ll toss in my unique experience with AI.

    A buddy of mine made up a program where users can create and access uncensored AI chatbots. They come complete with Pictures (AI art,) Voices (created based on uploaded samples,) and a personality you could write yourself in plain language.

    Years ago this blew my mind. If I got stuck on writers block I could create a character and ask it questions about its motivations and next steps. Harmless, right? No, not really, but that’s not my point.

    That was until my friend asked me to help moderate the app and I saw what everyone else was using it for. Now, I’m not here to kinkshame, everyone should be able to get off however they want as long as it hurts no one, but I can’t help but imagine how brains are getting re-wired by these sycophantic porn fantasy bots, especially the ones made to be demeaned and subjugated. And that’s not to mention the child porn.

    I still moderate the app because we report users trying to create CSAM to their ISPs and in that way, hopefully, I’m doing some good. But it’s not hard to make and run local AI, so I wonder how much more of it is out there.

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    So many people 1) think of AI as their unpaid “personal assistant” and at the same time 2) think of AI chatbots as being women. I really hope AI doesn’t accidentally re-normalize the master/servant dynamic, and it may not, but it’s something to watch out for in the coming years.

    I work in a field (technical editing) that may be replaced by AI bosses overvaluing AI, but at the moment, my job is more necessary than ever because all my writers now insist on sending me slop instead of actually doing their jobs.

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    LLMs etc are very fascinating technology and if they had remained research projects and marginally promoted tools for niche uses, I would not have had any problems with them.

    But no, technobros were like “oh this will make us a lot of money” and unleashed an unfathomable Hell on earth with unfathomable sociopolitical ramifications. Thanks.

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    I despise ai and refuse to use them. They ruin everything they touch. I can’t use the internet to learn things anymore without filtering by date to exclude post 2023 results. The concept of truth, meaning, or what is real is being degraded by the presence of ai.

    As a big fan of consent, I have many concerns with how ai companies get their training data.

    I’m delighted to see how passionate, researched, and eloquent so many of you are on this topic.

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    I think it should always be written in lowercase as “ai” to distinguish it from people named Albert. People like Weird Al Yankovic deserve the dignity of never being conflated with this insidious intangible sickness slowly overtaking our world & jobs & sanity.

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    It’s Dotcom mark2

    It has the capacity to change the world - and will become a fundamental part of life. But not in its current state; it’s overblown, overhyped and wildly misapplied. MBA bros got overinvested and overexcited and they’re fucking us all up the arse with it. And they’re causing a lot of damage as they go