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Thompson’s family was in the courtroom sitting in the front row watching as Mangione entered his plea.
I wonder what talent agency they’re with.
funny thing is the wife of thompson is estranged from him, kinda awkward for her to be there, if she was already seperated, probably looking for a big payout from thompson estate? also why she is tightlipped over the alleged murder.
Oh damn, I’d hid it into a spoiler once the guilty plea was confirmed, but I’m glad I can give a take once in a while that’s not bone-headed 😅
Am I missing something? The article includes pleaing guilty to murder too.
It was stalking leading to death, for which they’re asking for life in prison. So not your run of the mill stalking case. There are a few people downplaying the seriousness of this guilty plea, but denial is the first step in the stages of grief. He’s going away for life.
Next president pardon Luigi.
Fuck it, I’d vote for him once he turns 35.
Nooooooooo!!!
Luigi Mangione, the 28-year-old accused of killing a health care executive on a Manhattan street, pleaded guilty to stalking charges in federal court Friday.
Mangione faced those charges in connection with the December 2024 shooting death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
“I knew what I was doing,” Mangione said in court Friday. “I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan and he died.”
Thompson’s family was in the courtroom sitting in the front row watching as Mangione entered his plea. Mangione voiced no remorse and repeatedly referenced his concerns with the U.S. health care system.
Wow, I was expecting this to go to trial and be more drawn out.
The feds only had stalking charges. Murder is a separate state case, but it’ll be hard to beat that 'I knew what I was doing. I shot him." statement. Maybe angling for favorable sentencing.
Definitely taking “If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime” to heart, though. Hero of the people.
New York has an extremely strict double jeopardy law.
You can’t be convicted at the state level in New York for actions you were also convicted of at the federal level. Even if the charges are different.
It was presumably his lawyer’s strategy. He pleaded guilty to the federal stalking case and then the lawyers moved to dismiss the state murder charges for double jeopardy. They’re trying to say he shouldn’t be charged for the same crime twice and picked the lesser of the two.
double jeopardy.
We’re talking about the justice system here not some game show.
Tough crowd today.
Double jeopardy is a legal defense that stops the government from trying or punishing a person twice for the same crime.
The Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, emphasis mine:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Double jeopardy is a legal concept that means a person can’t be tried for the same crime twice. Leading up to the revolution, there was an issue with British authorities charging colonists with trumped up charges just to harass them. And when they’d beat the charges, the authorities would just charge them with the same crime again, starting the entire process all over again. So they specifically listed a “no double jeopardy” clause in the constitution, because they had seen how a prosecutor could abuse the legal system to keep an innocent person perpetually locked up.
However, double jeopardy doesn’t typically protect someone across state and federal crimes. Courts have repeatedly upheld that you can be tried in both, because the two courts are entirely separate. So it’s interesting that they’re trying to use the double jeopardy argument to say that the state can’t charge him.
They’re not using the double jeopardy clause in the US constitution, because, as you stated, the case law on that doesn’t protect him from dual state and federal prosecution.
Instead, Mr. Mangione is moving to dismiss the state case on the basis of New York’s separate double jeopardy law. That law binds the state of New York, and prevents them from prosecuting something that has already been jeopardised at the federal level.
Prove to me that the American justice system isn’t a game show. Other than the “unanimous decision” part, name one thing in a criminal trial that’s different from American Idol.
Are you joking right now?
I think they’re genuinely dumb. It can’t be an act this entire time right?
In case you weren’t making a joke: Double jeopardy
SatansMaggotyCumFart is almost always making a joke. Every once in a while he says something not joking or trolling, and it’s wierd.
Weird is one of those strange words where the i is after the e.
See, this is exactly what I’m talking about.
It’s easy to remember “weird’s weird,” though.
SatansMaggotyCumFart is almost always making a joke.
Or blaming the Left for Kamala Harris being an awful candidate that didn’t earn enough votes to beat the most unqualified, unpopular, and corrupt pile of radioactive waste to ever seek the office.
He REALLY loves beating that particular dead horse on any post about the Mango Mussolini doing something particularly heinous.
It’s because I totally support leftists staying home and letting trump become the president instead of Harris and her weird laugh.
Maybe angling for favorable sentencing.
They are setting up for a defense based on mental health, non compos mentis .
I’m sure there was a plea deal. Either that or they found out the prosecution had some really damning evidence.
They had a ton of evidence.
So, pleading guilty he doesnt go infront jury? Weird to give all this up now, not showing remorse even.
Yeah, no jury at all. State charges are still pending, so we’ll see if those continue. Seems unlikely to have a state trial if he’s already plead guilty to federal charges.
I dunno though, I’m not a lawyer.
Sometimes they’ll wait for them to be released from one prison just to arrest and prosecute other charges. Given the state and federal split I would be unsurprised if that happens here.
New York specifically has a very strict double jeopardy law. Stricter than the constitutional double jeopardy.
They won’t be able to convict him after the federal case is done.
Weird to give all this up now
Taking a lighter sentence or gambling on the death penalty? I wouldn’t call that weird at all.
Death penalty has been off the table already. He’s still facing up to life for these.
I was expecting this to go to trial and be more drawn out.
because idiots on lemmy were telling you he was innocent?
Because the police bungled the handling of evidence harder than the ones who arrested OJ.
Sounds like coercion.
Wow what a shit misleading title
How so? He plead guilty to guilty to federal stalking charges resulting in death, for which he will likely be sentenced to life in prison.
Yes, but his trail is famously a murder trail. When someone says “he plead guilty full stop” you assume it’s to the murder charge.
for which he will likely be sentenced to life in prison.
I am guessing you are being sarcastic here, because I assume it is not common to get life in prison for stalking. Even one resulting in death.
Anyways I am not a lawyer, but it is obvious from the beginning of the trail that he is being made example of.
P. S. I don’t think vigilantism is a good thing, but the extreme that one can be pushed to when met with so unjust justice system.
I am guessing you are being sarcastic here, because I assume it is not common to get life in prison for stalking. Even one resulting in death.
I am not. From a CNN article “Federal sentencing guidelines suggest a range of 24 to 30 years in prison. However, because the stalking resulted in death, federal prosecutors intend to seek the maximum sentence of life in prison. His federal sentencing is scheduled for December 18, 2026.”
Not sure why you’re down playing the seriousness of this news. If you’re still holding onto hope that Luigi is going to get a slap on the wrist or something, I hate to be the bearer of bad news.
How am I downplaying the seriousness of the news?
Well that’s a fucking bummer, man.
Mans a hero.Mangione has such a massive and popular following that there almost no way he is sentenced normally, it would be political suicide. The martyrdom alone would be hugely disruptive.
I have trouble believing this, it feels like that administration is past the point of trying to be respectable, but I hope you’re right.
he might get released early.
His commissary is gonna be so phat that he’ll have the lifer crime bosses asking him for favours.
Nah, still didn’t do it. He was probably coerced
I still don’t believe he did it
Luigi is innocent of all wrong doing and you can’t change my mind.
Ok MAYBE he jaywalked at some point but that’s like it! Innocent!
I wanted this to go to trial so the jury could nullify, but this is a shit timeline.
Seems like he was prepared to pay the price and still felt it was worth it. 🤷
He was going to rot forever in prison either way. The 6the amendment hasn’t meant shit for a long time.
Coward. He should have fought to the bitter end. What he did wasn’t criminal, it was a service to humanity.
Read the article, the title is very misleading (hence the downvotes foryour reaction which would otherwise be much more common). He pleaded guilty to the stalking, not the killing
If you think the title is misleading, you might not understand what he plead guilty to. It wasn’t just stalking. It was stalking resulting in death.
Federal sentencing guidelines suggest a range of 24 to 30 years in prison. However, because the stalking resulted in death, federal prosecutors intend to seek the maximum sentence of life in prison.
Even the stalking. The fact that he allowed the court to view any part of his heroism as a criminal act instead of fighting it and forcing them to prove everything means he’s a coward, and we need people with more conviction to eliminate the bastards.
