This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.
This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.
Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?
Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.
Khamenei maybe an angry old man considering his country is facing an existential threat but Netanyahu is a wanted war criminal and Trump is a rapist with nefarious ties to the notorious Epstein
My Iranian ass spending minutes to get my VPN working so I can access lemmy and watch people whitewash the man responsible for all my misery only to shit on Netanyahu and Trump:
whitewash the man responsible for all my misery
Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?
Ali Khamenei.
Had nothing to do with the overthrow of the Iranian democracy in 1953.
So it justifies the crimes of the mullahs? Why do you want it to seem that America is the devil and the mullahs are OK? Can’t them both be bad in your mind?
So? US foreign policy has done a number of the whole world. It’s not an excuse for Khamenei and his goons to uphold this regime.
If you don’t want to be governed by conservatives, quit lining all the progressives against the wall and shooting them.
Blaming Khamenei for governing like a conservative Muslim, when you’re in a region absolutely choked with religious conservative governments, seems to miss the forest for the trees. Especially after the US was instrumental in undermining and dismantling all the modernist secular democracies from the first half of the 20th century.
Khomeini hijacked the revolution that ousted the Shah and turned it from a triumphant moment and chance for change into a “under new management” situation.
Khamenei now presides over this theocratic regime and continues to oppress Iran.
Khomeini hijacked the revolution
The lion’s share of the proletariat were religious conservatives. He didn’t hijack the revolution, he was a foundational pillar of its execution.
Khamenei now presides over this theocratic regime
Show me a Middle Eastern government more liberal than President Masoud Pezeshkia’s Independent Reformist coalition. Half their neighbors are Kingdoms, ffs. The other half are military dictatorships. Iran is one of the few proper democracies on the continent. It’s theocratic because the majority of its constituents are conservative theocrats sending up religious politicians to the parliament. Iran is no more theocratic than Pakistan or Mississippi.
I don’t have time or will to dive into all of this but this one part: “It is theocratic because the majority of it’s constituents are conservative theocrats” There are no non-theocratic politians in Iran, they do not get approved for standing in an election. Every candidate, on every level, has to be approved by the Guardian Council. Who elected that council? Well, half of the council are clerics, appointed the Supreme Leader. The other half are jurists, who are selected by the Majilis from list approved by the Chief Justice. Who appointed the Chief Justice? The Supreme Leader.
Meaning all 12 positions of the body that decides who can stand for election are either appointed by the supreme Leader or appointed by someone with direct allegiance to the Supreme Leader.
Take the president for example: Pezeshkian would legally not be able to stand for election if he wasnt a Shia Muslim or didn’t affirm that the Supreme Leader is the ultimate authority in matters of religion and social issues. Meaning by law, both social and religious reforms can only be done with the consent of the supreme Leader.
The constituents send up theocratic politicians because there are no other politicians. A theocrat has the ultimate power of determining who is and isn’t a viable candidate.
I mean screw the men responsible for your misery, but Iran is objectively the good guy when it comes to Palestine. We don’t have quite as much opportunity to shit on Khomeini now that Assad isn’t around, but we still hate him don’t worry.
From what I understand from your message it looks like to me that this is all something like a game for you people to virtue signal.
Edit: Funny how you got Khomeini and Khamenei mixed up. It shows how much you know and care about the matter.
From what I understand from your message it looks like to me that this is all something like a game for you people to virtue signal.
No? What do you even mean by whitewashing him? The atrocities he commits just aren’t relevant to the topic at hand, so they’re not brought up.
Edit: Funny how you got Khomeini and Khamenei mixed up.
Wow, TIL. I thought their names were both Khomeini but that makes more sense.
Not every conflict has a good guy, there are no good guys, the Khamenei regime is evil and so is the leadership of Isreal. Just because the latter attacked the former does not make them innocent, let the bastards burn and pity the civilian.
Stop pretending like Khamenei isn’t a criminal. He’s not just an angry old man because they’re “facing an existential threat” he’s a fuckwad through and through and no Iranian would shed a tear if he was shelled. Israel certainly started this iteration of the conflict but Khamenei and the regime has a rap sheet far longer than Trump’s.
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What do I know? My parents came to Denmark fleeing from this shitty regime. What do you know?
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Of course I have family in Iran, even though I don’t know them too well. How are you reading that I’m happy that terrorist (Israeli) bombs are falling on people? Regular people are always the losers in warfare, no matter the circumstances. Just wouldn’t be sad if it happened to fall on Khamenei - nor if a missile landed on Bibi’s house.
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Israel is undoubtedly the most evil regime in the world but upholding another evil regime oppressing 90+ million people just because they lay claim to standing up to Israel - without producing any particularly strong results - doesn’t seem like the tradeoff to go for. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Iran can still be on the right side of history without Khamenei and his goons.
It’s so hilarious how they try to spin any criticism of the IR as blind Zionism. Gotta love it.
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I am, but I won’t claim that I’m not first and foremost Danish - apart from when it comes to food… But I do feel like I’m allowed to have a strong opinion on the regime.
Khamenei is a priest. 'Nuff said. Israel is a theocratic state. Religious people attacking each other, with normal people in the middle. Once more, Rome did it first, 900 something years ago.
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Trump is actively helping to exterminate hundreds of thousands in Gaza. He is orders of magnitude worse than Khamenei
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Lots of people in this site are sympathetic to any tyrant as long as they aren’t ruling over a western country.
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Trust The Guardian to “both-sides” a blatant war of aggression and just completely fail to mention the massive genocide Israel is carrying out.
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Seriously. The Guardian has had no problem with Muslims being killed up till now. So long as it was Israel doing it.
Huh? I have seen tons of articles in Guardian calling Israel’s actions a genocide. This is much more than what one can say for the rest of western mainstream media. And before someone says something along the lines of “yea only after everyone started saying it” there are many articles in 2024 and some of these articles go as far back as 2023 Nov, Dec (the Hamas attack was 2023 Oct and Israeli genocide started in October right after this) saying that dehumanizing language used by Israeli state ministers and events unfolding in Gaza are genocidal. I wonder what do you base these comments on when there are dozens of articles in Guardian calling this a genocide.
A consensus is emerging: Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. Where is the action?
Israel committing genocide in Gaza, says EU’s former top diplomat
Israel’s war in Gaza amounts to genocide, Amnesty International report finds
Military intervention must be used to stop the genocide in Gaza
What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?
We’re anti-Zionist Jews and we see genocide unfolding in Gaza
There is even an editorial one laying out how inhumane and aggressive Israeli state is:
The Guardian view on Israel and allegations of genocide: a case that needs to be heard
They call the Gaza genocide a “war” to this day. Opinion articles and quotes from others are not Guardian editorial.
Here is what actual news calling it a genocide looks like. Not hiding behind opinion articles and quote marks.
The ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestinians remains, as ever, the clear goal of the Israeli government in Gaza. “The Gazans we evacuate will not return. They will not be there; we will control there. There is no other target. Any other target is a bluff,” Netanyahu added.
You mean tens of articles published in a main stream media since the genocide started all calling it a genocide has no impact? It has more impact than a smaller scale news site publishing similar editorial pieces. It has more reach and it contributes more. Having an editorial article with the same tone is the ideal situation but I will take the former any day when other media fire their long time employees for just a single comic for god’s sake. And we know how much international bullying there is to call writers of such articles anti-semitist. So creating an environment where people can publish such articles in a mainstream media outlet takes a lot of effort, resources and shielding. If we are going to race quotes here you go:
Israel’s leaders committed genocide in Gaza and must pay for it. Their political and media allies must too
There was a palastine support march in London about a month ago with almost half a million people joining it and a kilometers long line of people. I would like to think that main stream media allowing opinion pieces calling genocide a genocide has some contribution to that.
Try posting them here or anywhere else and see what the mods do with opinion articles if they are critical of Israel.
Israel’s leaders committed genocide in Gaza and must pay for it. Their political and media allies must too
Is written by Owen Jones who heavily pushed for this himself. TheGuardian did not decide to publish that out of their own free will. Owen is one of those “tiny guys” you are talking about. He makes videos against the Palestinian genocide almost daily.
If the Guardian did not decide to publish this opinion piece and tens of others from Owen and other authors with similar tones how did all these get published? Did they blackmail Guardian into publishing these? How is it not their free will?
Khameni didn’t want a war
So far also Iran only matched target groups after Israel targeted them first. E.g. Israel strikes MoD offices in Tehran -> Iran strikes back at the MoD in Tel Aviv. Israels strikes Iranian gas and electrical infrastructure -> Iran strikes back at Israeli Gas and electrical infrastructure.
Iran doesn’t want this war and keeps reiterating to go back to diplomacy, however the US and multiple G7 countries, especially UK, France and Germany are rattling the sabres more, defending Israels onslaught while condemning Irans responses. These countries claiming they would seek a diplomatic solution makes for rather cynical lies when they cover the attacker and condemn the defender.
No doubt Israel started this iteration but to say that Iran doesn’t want war is viewing the regime too favourably. Of course they don’t want war on Iranian territory - but they do want to directly sponsor Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, al-Assad (until he fell), and other mostly Shia militias while severely oppressing their own population - especially minorities. Fuck Israel but it’s not like Iran comes with peaceful intentions. My parents fled from this regime, and while virtually no Iranian supports Israel’s actions or wants war, most of us wouldn’t shed a single tear if the entire regime were wiped out.
Iran doesn’t want this war
No doubt Iran has acted in aggressive ways in other places. However it seemed to not have directed its aggression directly at Israel. People keep claiming that Iran would have orchestrated October 7, but if it had, Hezbollah, Houthis and Iranian proxies in Syria and Iraq would have joined in full force. So Iran wasn’t interested in a confrontation with Israel in the past years either.
Oh absolutely, this one is on Israel for sure. Just important to note that it’s not like the Iranian regime is made up of pacifists
Israel and the US would like my very much if it was made of pacifists
Did you forget that israel also backed the shah which was also oppressive and killed iranian? The west and it proxy israel always trying to control iranian natural ressources.
Iran provide weapons to resistance groups but do not control their actions. It’s not different than the united state selling weapona to it’s allies
Iran was forced to intervene in syria because the plan was always to put another regime that will protect israel and not because they love the butcher Assas butchring syrians
You can’t claim to not support israel when they are the one right now trying to change the regime right now. How many iranians do you think should die for a regime change that will be replaced by a puppet not chosen by iranians?
For me it’s about being realistic. Iran is never gonna defeat Israel as long as the Americans support them. You’re right that Iran will never flourish because the powers won’t ever allow it - Israel, USA, Western Europe, Saudi Arabia, sometimes Turkey… puppet or not, I’m not gonna support the devil I know just because I can’t know what happens in the time after.
You’re supporting the devil right now.
So do you agree that Israel should stop the war then Iranians themselves decide to overthrow the regime?
Of course I do? My only statement is that I wouldn’t be sad if a rocket happened to hit Khamenei. Never gonna shed a tear for a tyrant, even if it was my other enemy that caused his downfall.
If Khamenei die , it will be replaced by another. In the process of trying to kill Khamenei ton of civilians will die. Are you ready for the rest of your family who are still in Iran to risk dying in the process?
Would you take the same view if Iranian rockets started killing Zionist politicians in Europe?
Empire has been attacking Iran for centuries. The current state is a direct result of imperial violence. Iran has had no choice but to defend itself for decades.
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Because they know they’ll lose it as things currently stand.
That’s why they’ve been trying to build nukes.
First of all: It’s not clear that they want nukes. Like, seriously, they have been accused of almost having nukes for thirty years, it’s much more plausible at this point that they are much more interested in the ability to acquire them quickly in case they need them.
But even then: It makes no sense for them to use them aggressively, but it makes an unbelievable amount of sense for them to want them for defensive purposes. Like: They have time and time suffered from western interference, including the extremely bloody Iran-Iraq-war and have a hostile, nazi-run rouge state running a genocide and storing nukes without NPT-approval that is receiving unlimited support from the US in their vicinity.
The fact of the matter is that there is no country on earth that is as justified in pursuing a nuclear deterrent on earth as Iran.
And none of that changes anything about the government being made up from horrible tyrants that are almost as bad (but definitely not actually as bad, let alone worse!) as the one in Israel. They absolutely should be overthrown, but that’s not the job for the genocidal nazis in Israel.
They never tried to build a nuke
Yes, I’m sure a nation with huge oil and gas reserves wants nuclear just to have very expensive energy.
They want nuclear weapons to prevent regime change due to external interference. Russia can’t protect them. There’s no NATO style protection for Russian allies. I think we’re only seeing this now because of how weak Russia is on the global stage.
We heard this dumb argument for decades
external interference
I think you mean western imperialism and genocidal zionism which have been attacking Iran for decades/centuries.
Sounds like they should have a nuke
Gotta be a complete idiot not to build nukes when a rogue genocidal cult is constantly threatening to nuke you.
A nuclear Iran is one of the only hopes for peace.
damn they just pretend the UK is not the country that fuel Jets over Iraq to facilitate the bombing. Or it is not the UK base in Cyprus and vessels that provide a command center and communication tool to facilitate the mission.
If you want to attack Iran and accelerate to a wwiii don’t shy from telling the truth about your involvement, we know it, you know it …
Peak liberal both sidesism. Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good, Iran bad. This is a big part of why we have genocide against palestinians and trump in office.
Where did you read “USA good” in that post?
Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good
You are either being dishonest or have bad reading comprehension. The OP clearly labels Trump as part of the problem, alongside Netanyahu and Khameini. They also blame Israel for escalating with Iran when talks were still ongoing. They are not saying what you claim they are.
I think it’s probably that Americans only do this “both sides are to blame” when their side is the one to blame
Ah yes, blame all three even though its been clearly israel and Netanyahu who have been beating the war drums for 30+ years. Israel has been talking about Iran developing a nuke for 30 years and saying that “its around the corner”. Israel did the same with Iraq btw and dragged the US to war.
False equivalencies.
Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.
Apparently defending yourself is the peak of insanity now.
Putin has a day off?
He’s too busy begging these three for help.
Angry old men … ruling the biggest countries in the world … and all of them not caring what they are going to do or not do because they’re going to be dead or senile or incapable to do anything within the next ten years.
blaming the top government officials only is stupid. Thet completelyignore that they got voted in and have majority support among their population. At least Iran has less of a choice, and even then was negotiating a deal and agreed to one in the past!
Great man theory nonsense. Was Netanyahu in power during the Sabra and Shatila massacre? During the Nakba? During the June 1967 war? Was Trump president when the US invaded Iraq? Was he president when the US sent billions of dollars in military aid to Israel to commit their genocide with? It’s the countries, not the leaders. They’re just the personification of a system. You could shoot each of these men in the head today, and nothing would change.
There are actually some differences here. After the Cold War ended Israel was making some peace deals. The Oslo Accords(1993 and 1995) and a deal with Jordan 1994 were big parts of that. In 1996 Netanyahu came to power and basically all of that stopped. There was a bit with Ariel Sharon being in power, when Israel gave up its settlement in the Gaza strip. Netanyahu was not prime minister all the time, but he was in government and more often then not in position to sabotage that. The only time he failed was Ariel Sharon ordering to close the Jewish settlements in Gaza. He is really the main reason there is no somewhat working two state solution today.
Trump currently sents billions of aid to Israel to commit genocide AND fight a war within Iran. So yes he is that president. Biden at least used the US military to send some food to Gaza, Trump stopped that.
Khamenei is the leader of Iran since 1989. He is hardly innocent of supporting the Assad clan, destroying democracy in Lebanon by supporting Hezbollah, massive war crimes in Sudan happening right now, with the biggest starvation crisis in the world, although not as hard as Gaza, the huge civil war in Yemen and so forth. Keep in mind that before the Iranian revolution Israel and Iran were very close allies. They even developed fighter jets together. Point is that both countries are not natural enemies.
At least two of those men have formed their respective countries and systems for decades. If you killed Netanyahu today, then it would mean a new election and likely a win for the liberals, which is usually good news for Palastinians. If you killed Khamenei today, then there is a pretty good chance, that the infighting would end the Islamic Republic. Iran has had some massive protests in the last couple years. If you kill Trump, then the Vance ends up president and he lacks the charisma of Trump and is not even directly elected.
Do you really think Trump’s supporters would suddenly support Democrats, and, do you really think a power vacuum in Iran would make the Middle East more peaceful?
Similarly, don’t skip over the part where the Oslo process ended when Netanyahu’s current cabinet had Rabin assassinated. Natanyahu is a linchpin, but the right exists independent of him, and the left is still pretty anti-Palestinian.
Never said that Trump supporters would switch sites. I said that Vance is less popular, which means less likely to get as many people to activly vote for him.
A power vacuum in Iran would have a good chance of ending the civil war in Sudan. So I believe the odds are pretty good,especially if it is a short one.
Every Iraeli and Palestinian has experienced violence from the other site. Clearly Israel is occupying the West Bank and not the other was around, but it would be foolish of me to presume that the Israeli left loves Palestinians. Thankfully they do not need to, but just need to make a deal. Without shooting at each other relations will improve. Obviously the right is independent of Natanyahu, but current polls still show them loosing power.
I’ll admit my knowledge of Sudan is fuzzy. It’s a huge catastrophe, but it just seems unlikely to spread the way the other crises can. Doesn’t the UAE have a big hand in it too?
I’m skeptical inspiring middle-of-the-road voters is really that important anymore in the US. Most likely, future elections will not be fully free and fair.
Trump, definitely. He’s at least too dumb to be evil effectively, I shudder to think where Vance would take things if he decides to keep the MAGA line going.
Netanyahu dying would lead to a collapse of his government and a more moderate faction coming to power and probably ending the wars… for now.
I know less about the internal politics of Iran, although this war they didn’t start obviously wouldn’t end.
There is broad support in Israeli society for the ongoing genocide in Gaza. There are polls showing as much (I think one of them showed a rate of 82%). This is not one man’s whim, this is not the will of some small shady elite, this is a consequence of material conditions in Israel. If you don’t take those away, some other face will lead the charge.
Plus I’m not convinced that an assassination of Netanyahu would lead to a different party taking charge. I can’t imagine their system of governance is set up this way. But this is entirely beside the point. The point is that one man’s death doesn’t change history. The allies didn’t win WWII because Hitler killed himself, Hitler killed himself because the allies won WWII.
There is broad support in Israeli society for the ongoing genocide in Gaza. There are polls showing as much (I think one of them showed a rate of 82%).
I did say “for now”.
I’m guessing “genocide” wasn’t in the wording of the poll question, but a two-state solution is just as fringe as a one state solution at this point. The vibe of the average Israeli is that they want Palestinians gone and don’t want to talk or even think about how.
Plus I’m not convinced that an assassination of Netanyahu would lead to a different party taking charge. I can’t imagine their system of governance is set up this way.
How much do you know about the system?
It’s a party list parliament with a pretty high degree of political fragmentation, comparable to the Netherlands. Netanyahu started with a slim majority propped up by the far-right parties, and his party has polled poorly since they let Oct 7 happen. Security was his main thing. He’s globally famous for his skill holding together coalitions, which he couldn’t do while dead, and it’s pretty typical to hold snap elections after something like that anyway. His successor also wouldn’t need to worry about being thrown in jail for corruption the moment they’re out of office.
But this is entirely beside the point. The point is that one man’s death doesn’t change history. The allies didn’t win WWII because Hitler killed himself, Hitler killed himself because the allies won WWII.
Great man theory is indeed dumb, but “leaders don’t change anything even in the short term” is too far in the other direction.
What an insanely stupid article. Israel bombs Iran completely unprovoked. Khamenei and Iran are incredibly responsible and measured in their response. Meanwhile Israel is flailing around like a wild bully with their American big brother behind its back, threatening Iran that they are not allowed to strike back
And the liberals from TheGuardian write a both sides article about it as if all parties share blame.
The Ayatollah regime that has been building and funding terrorist proxies for years, that has a bloody countdown timer for the destruction of Israel in the middle it Tehran? The same regime who is, pretty obviously, rushing toward military nuclear capabilities in order to fulfill said countdown? You’re saying that they haven’t provoked Israel?
And you really think that firing drones and ballistic missiles at civilian populations is a measured response?
Fuck off with that bullshit.
Cool whataboutisms. Yes, Iran is shitty. No, Israel didn’t have to do this. Yes, it’s a great strategy to regain support for the Likud coalition government and not go to prison for corruption.
And you really think that firing drones and ballistic missiles at civilian populations is a measured response?
Pardon, which county are we talking about here?
Iran at least has the excuse that their missiles can’t aim that well.
If Israel has a right to defend itself, what does (still awful government of) Iran have?
I guess blaming Netanyahu and Trump only would have lead to too much blowback. The Guardian really doesn’t seem like it’s the same anymore.
This article is fine, but kind of superfluous.
We get it. Everyone can see this. If you don’t have actionable advice or some additional insight, you’re really just reporting that water is wet.
Unfortunately not everyone is aware that water is wet. And often there are groups who try and convince people otherwise.
I agree that more ideas need to be put into action that can actually accomplish change for the better, but that requires that people be informed first.
Most scientists define wetness as a liquid’s ability to maintain contact with a solid surface, meaning that water itself is not wet, but can make other sensation.
But if you define wet as ‘made of liquid or moisture’, as some do, then water and all other liquids can be considered wet.
So… by a highly common definition it is wet. That’s not much of a debate.
There are plenty of words that mean different things in scientific contexts that are different from common use. It’s like saying “the sky is blue” is a false statement. Yes, there are contexts where the sky isn’t blue. At night. On other planets. Perhaps earlier periods in our planet’s history. But are we in those contexts right now? And is my meaning ambiguous?
There are a lot of times where language is unclear, and we must work to bridge communication barriers. But to insist on debating things when no genuine confusion is present is just an a bizarre antisocial practice.
Tldr
Water is not wet
That’s a fun song (but also obviously silly and wrong).
I guess you go around calling fire burned
This is silly.
First, I don’t know why you’re using the past tense. I don’t call water “wetted” I call it “wet”. And while I wouldn’t call fire “burned”, I would call it “burning”.
But here’s the thing: you’re welcome to have your idiosyncratic opinion on this. The fact that you seem to want me to argue my side when I feel perfectly comfortable letting you have a subjective opinion most people consider ridiculous says to me that (A) you know which one of us holds the broadly agreed upon position and (B) this isn’t about resolving a dispute. It’s just online debate for sport.
Enjoy believing a hotdog is a sandwich. Sleep well in your claims that cereal is a soup. I’m not going to explain to you why water is wet because it’s a waste of my time.
you know it’s bad when western MSM is both-siding it
Illegal, maybe. But… Unjustified? Maybe the author is unaware of Isreal’s recent divulgence of Iran’s plan to sprint for a nuke while its militant religious zealots in Hamas and Hizbullah are hobbled? Or how openly the mullahs state that they will use it?
I mean, given the attacks I can see why they would feel nuclear weapons are necessary.
Nobody is pulling this shit on North Korea.
Bruh when Israel can just do a genocide and bomb countries left and right with no consequences AND they have nukes, it’s perfectly normal to want nukes to even the odds. Nothing justified about any of Israel’s crimes.
Illegal, maybe. But… Unjustified? Maybe the author is unaware of Isreal’s recent divulgence of Iran’s plan to sprint for a nuke while its militant religious zealots in Hamas and Hizbullah are hobbled? Or how openly the mullahs state that they will use it?
citations needed!
Yes the mullahs want nukes. Source? I am Iranian.
I’m sorry but that is the most insane reply I have ever read in response to a perfectly valid question for citations. “Trust me bro! I’m Iranian!”
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The mullahs have never shown the people any actual usage of the nuclear program. We are having planned blackout outs everyday for almost 1 hour and a half. So they don’t use the nuclear infrastructure to make up for the electricity shortage. From the day I was born Iran was sanctioned for it’s nuclear program but I have never seen an actual usecase of it outside of regime propaganda.
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From the beginning of the regime they made many enemies. But Israel was the one they vowed to earase from the map. So if someday Iran makes nukes Israel will be the most in danger.
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Khamenei seems to legitimately believe that he is some kind of chosen person to make things ready for the 12th Imam (Mahdi) to come. Yeah it sounds wild but remember, Khamenei is the leader of a theocracy. So to “make things ready” they tried to intervene and influence in the middle east. Assad in Syria, Hashad al Shabi in Iraq, Hezbollah in Lebonan, etc.
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More like “Trust me bro I’m on the Iran desk at Eglin Airforce Base.” There are Iranians yapping on Facebook etc, even the critical ones don’t use US State Department lingo to refer to the Iranian government like “the mullahs” lol.
Never thought a lemmy.ml user would not be campist and see the evil of the leaders of Iran. Thank you my friend. It’s good to see that not everyone on Lemmy is supporting Khamenei and his regime. It’s though watching people white washing the regime that has ruined my homeland, Iran.
see the evil of the leaders of Iran
I remember when Americans purged Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, and Syria of Evil.
Funny how Khamenei’s regime has also done their share of intervention in the same places.
Afghanistan: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liwa_Fatemiyoun
Iraq: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_Iraq_(2014–present)
Syria: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war
Lebonan: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_influence_in_Lebanon
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I am not pro Isis. I am an exmuslim Atheist. Isis happened to get in the way of the regime and that’s why they fought it. They wanted themselves to influence and rule. Arguing with you seems to be pointless. You accused me of supporting people who would kill me because I am queer and also left Islam. I’m blocking you.
Israel has nuclear weapons, its neighbours that it threatens have every right to nuclear weapons. You just want Israel to achieve its expansionist goals with no pushback.
Despite having nuclear weapons and not being a party to the NPT, Israel has never threatened to use them.
Unlike Iran and most of its neighbors which threaten to destroy Israel every chance they get.
Since before its founding it has been engaged in ethnic cleansing, massacres and expansion. Right now it illegally occupies the West Bank, parts of Lebanon and Syria, enforces a brutal siege on the Gaza Strip and is guilty of genocide. You are talking about it as if they are victims and not a violent and racist settler colonial project based on apocalyptic and messianic ideologies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantura_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_the_Golan_Heights
https://www.972mag.com/second-nakba-mainstream-israeli-right/
https://mepei.com/greater-israel-an-ongoing-expansion-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-north-africa/
With Zionists, every accusation is a confession
Surely nobody has ever lied about the military capability of a country it wanted to attack…
