I had an uncle that wouldn’t go walking without brass knuckles and a chain because he was scared of getting mugged.
He lived in the most upper class suburban neighborhood I’ve ever seen but the conservative talk shows had just poisoned his mind, he was afraid of everything.
I knew a guy who lived in rich suburbs and bought a gun because he “heard a drug deal went down” and he “wanted to protect his daughter”. People are stupid and even more so when scared.
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I had some and tried them on a tree. Those HURT. I dunno if I just got crappy ones but I can’t see using them. FWIW armored gloves do just as much damage and don’t fuck your fingers up.
there’s probably a right way to use them, and several wrong ways. as with most things, it requires training. also, punching a tree is probably not a great idea.
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It’s a sad state of affairs, but that’s how it is. As a
velocier… regular human being that happens to be male, I can see why this happens. And one of the main problems we still have as a society is that when something happens to a woman, one of the things many assholes ask first is: “how was she dressed?” As if somehow it was the woman’s fault because the poor man couldn’t help it.👀👀
In all seriousness, yeah, we (women) all know that’s how it is. The image is critiquing the status quo though, because it’s fluffing stupid.
And the stupidest part of it is that this status quo hurts men too. Because they don’t realize that perpetuating it makes women afraid of men (with a valid reason).
Hell, right now, if a man approaches a woman, her first reaction is fear and distrust, and it’s justified because they learned that it’s better to fear a man and be safe than to trust him and be sorry later. And this is hurting men too because makes it harder to find someone even if you are a sane (as in not a potential rapist) individual. Helping to perpetuate this status quo is basically shooting ourselves in the foot, repeatedly.
PS: just in case it wasn’t clear, I speak as a male human being. 👀
That window breaker appears to be a combo seat belt cutter and is a good item to have in your car in general. Didn’t know they were primarily marketed to women.
I don’t think they are. I get what the “meme” is going for, but it looks to me more like adding “women” to the query just eliminates PPE from the results.
Men must really have weak hands, feet, eyes, and skulls compared to women, and be much harder to see. Sounds rough.
Fake! If the safety items in the bottom half were for women, they’d be pink.
Somewhat /s
If they are pink, don’t forget to add the pink tax too.
I never leave the house unarmed. I recommend self-defence classes and weapons training for each and every gal. There’s too many weirdos out there and having trained self-defence for quite many years became very useful a few times in the past for me.
Its good to know how. In many of those classes they will also teach us to trust our guts on stuff like that and GTFO before we need to fight. And i think thats equally important. Its really, really hard to defend yourself agains someone bigger and heavier than you. A fight not fought is a fight not lost.
And never forget that a weapon can also be used against oneself, especially if not used often or trained.
Stay safe out there ladies!
That’s exactly what my self-defence teacher repeated nonstop: The best self-defence is getting the fuck away from the danger. Unfortunately, that’s not always possible, so you need a plan B as well.
And yes, before carrying around weapons, you need to learn how and when to use them.
Trusting your gut and getting out of perceived danger is good in some ways. But, it can also reinforce a feeling of paranoia. It’s like the old joke about someone buying a supposedly “magic” item, like leprechaun repellent, and claiming it works because they’ve never been attacked by a leprechaun.
For example, is someone crossing the street to avoid walking near that man because their gut says he’s dangerous? Or is it because he has black skin and they haven’t confronted their internalized racism? Are the people hanging out on the corner actually dangerous members of a gang? Or are they just loud, boisterous teenagers? Let this paranoia go too far and you get incidents like the woman who called the cops on a man birdwatching in central park or someone shooting someone who accidentally used the wrong driveway.
This is personal for me, because my mom is always telling me tales of the sketchy people she had to avoid when she was out walking her dog. When she describes why they were sketchy, her reason is basically “they were black”. I really think if she could get the courage to meet some black people, she’d discover they aren’t automatically scary, and she didn’t need to trust her gut and steer clear of them when they were just outside minding their own business while she was out with the dog. She’d also generally be happier to be out at night, and her quality of life would go up because she wouldn’t be so afraid of her own neighbourhood.
Good point. Im still wondering though if people like her are really responding to fear or if this is more about reinforceing ideas, agendas and drama.
Feeling somewhat uneasy seeing people in your neighborhood whos demographic you don’t like to see around, as unnecessary and harmful this is for the community, is something entirely different than realising you could possibly be harmed in the situation you are in right now.
Im just assuming here that she wont get a fight or flight response every time she sees a black guy or something, though. If she does this is an entirely different problem and may be better adressed by a professional.
I don’t know about other people, but I’m pretty sure that with my mom it is genuine fear. She really does need therapy, but it would take decades to work through all her issues and she’s old and set in her ways. She’d never even agree to see a therapist because she’s confident she doesn’t need one.
This is really unfortunate, then. I wish her inner peace and that you may have the strength to have as much patience with her as you can.
Got to fuck em up like Captain Janeway did to Tuvix
Seriously though OP is spot on with the recommendation
Lol, I recently watched Voyager again and Janeway is badass. The only bigger badass is her:
(☝︎ ՞ਊ ՞)☝︎ Oh hell yeah!!! I’m watching Voyager somewhere mid to late season 5. Star Trek was where I was hoping we’re going but it looks like blade runner and cyberpunk is where we are headed/at ಥ_ಥ
I’m on board with Janeway’s decision on Tuvix but even I don’t compare what she did to him with self-defense, lol.
Oh definitely not self-defense, I was more alluding to fact about the shooting twice thing but I’m just getting use to replying to comments ( I usually lurk) and didn’t know how that would go over in this community and was not trying to get banned or make an enemy from a Janeway meme (:
Half the reason I joined Lemmy was for the star trek memes.
Yesss!!! Between Star Trek memes and Unix surrealism it definitely helps keep me sane (somewhat haha)
Unfortunately in Australia carrying any sort of weapon for self-defence is illegal, including pepper spray. I still, if I’m going into a higher-risk situation, carry something like a padlock or 3D printed cat-ear ring regardless. Rather be charged with assault than end up assaulted myself, or worse.
Same in Ireland, not too sure about the UK legal situation since I don’t really spend much time there anymore, but I’m still carrying / smuggling my Kubotan over to IE. There’s some places you should really be prepared for the worst in Dublin. My favourite situation so far happened in a side alley of Temple Bar at night when a junkie tried to rob me, threatening me with a dirty syringe. I had my telescopic steel security baton with me and he quickly realised he’d end up in hospital or 6 feet under if he tried that shite with me. He fecked off somewhere else real quick like the devil himself was chasing him.
I’m also a cane user and that works as a brilliant self-defence weapon because it comes with plausible deniability. People also expect me to be an easy mark, but adrenaline is a hell of a drug!
Same here in Canada.
You can carry a knife, as long as it’s a utility knife, or used for cooking, or if it’s some kind of sporting equipment.
If you use anything for defense, you’re likely going to be getting a weapons charge.
It’s idiotic if you ask me. If only criminals can carry weapons, then only criminals will ever have weapons.
IMO, nonlethal self defense equipment should be exempt from weapons laws until such time as it is used to perpetrate a crime, when it then becomes an offensive weapon and prohibited by law. (We have a similar law about knives/blades, they’re not considered weapons until they’re used in the commission of a crime).
I had to have my work knives in a locking knife roll when I worked in kitchens. There is definitely such a thing as too far.
I’m not sure where you live, but this would be legal in Canada.
Since the purpose is to use them for cooking, unless they are instead used in perpetrating a crime, they’re legal here.
I’m in Australia and while the laws are similar, the way they are enforced means that if you don’t want to spend hours on the side of the road or a night in lockup while you prove your story then an abundance of caution is your best option. A very guilty until proven innocent system.
“you’re not guilty, we just have to detain you while we investigate”
Yeah, sure, meanwhile I’m put into a cell… Like someone who is guilty. Thanks.
If only criminals can carry weapons, then only criminals will ever have weapons.
Yes, by definition. So what?
But, look at the US for what happens when everyone might be carrying a weapon. If a victim might have a gun, every criminal will have a gun just to even the odds. Since criminals all carry guns, police also have to carry guns, and police get incredibly paranoid that everyone they’re dealing with is armed, so often their policy is shoot if they feel slightly uncomfortable, and ask questions later. Maybe plant a gun on the criminal if they were wrong. And, of course, the US leads every developed country in shooting deaths by a huge margin.
Meanwhile, in the UK most cops don’t even carry guns, nor do most criminals, and of course the general public doesn’t either. And, unsurprisingly, shooting deaths are pretty rare.
If normal people are allowed to have weapons on them, I think it will occasionally deter a crime. But, I think it would also cause a lot more accidents with those weapons. I also think untrained people would have their weapons taken away and used on them. I also think those weapons would often be used in crimes more often. A road rage incident involving two unarmed people would instead be a road rage incident where someone grabs whatever weapon is at hand. I think for the average person, it’s more likely they’ll be in a situation where they’re irrationally angry and grab whatever weapon is nearby, than be in a situation where they need something to prevent themselves from being the victim of a crime.
I hear what you’re saying, and I’m the last person to advocate for everyone to be allowed to carry lethal firearms with them at all times. No thanks.
What I would like to see is that civilians have an option for personal self defense that is non-lethal. Like pepper spray. But that’s prohibited here.
The only option for legal self defense here is through training. The only weapon you’re allowed to have is yourself. So until you, yourself, becomes a weapon, in every encounter with someone with ill intentions, you will be unarmed.
I don’t hate cops. I don’t really love them either, especially right now in the wake of the BLM movement, but I won’t get into that. But it’s impractical at best to have enough LEOs to stop all crimes as they happen. You would need an officer on almost every corner 24/7. It would be a gigantic waste of time and money. Taxpayer money. Giving the general person an option for self defense that’s proven to be non-lethal that doesn’t require them to take hours of self defense or martial arts classes, would be nice.
Right now, at least for me, here in Canada, such an option does not exist. Anything that can be considered a weapon, is a weapon unless it is part of a very narrow scope of exceptions; and if any of those exceptions are used as a weapon against another person for any reason, then the exception no longer applies.
Not everyone has hours to dedicate to learning self defense. So unless there’s a cop nearby, you’re fucked.
As a guy I’m embarrassed that this is so necessary.
I’m so very very sorry that some men out there feel like it’s okay to control someone for any reason, for any purpose, against their will.
I wish you all the best, now, and in the future.
and it is a minority of men who are the problem, but they are enabled
That may be. The problem is that they exist in sufficient numbers to sway the general opinion.
There will always be “evil” people in the world. So eliminating them entirely is extremely unlikely. But reducing their numbers, and their ability to impact others, is going to be the key.
We need everyone to feel safe to go outside.
Thank you. Feel digitally hugged. :)
As we Irish folks tend to say: “Won’t you be worrying, love” :)
Yo, that door lock doesn’t do shit. If you’re in a hotel room and want extra security, there’s a couple of better options.
https://www.redteamtools.com/super_grip_deadbolt_strap/?searchid=110375&search_query=door+strap
This is the single best one.
I’ve tested the door lock and doors I’ve used it on, it does actually work if you set it correctly and it fits the door itself.
For both, it depends entirely on the door itself, and neither would stop someone determined kicking through the door. I’ve stayed in plenty of places where the deadbolt wouldn’t work with the strap, but those are also places where the doors were made in China or Turkey, so nothing is standardized to EU/US/Canada specs.
A regular ol’ rubber door stopper often does the trick just as well. Layer your security.
I definitely agree about layering security.
Of course Lemmy people follow Deviant
I’m bummed I missed meeting him at DefCon, actually haha.
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is that what you get from this astonishingly obvious picture of how culture treats masc and fem people differently?
wow, more idiots on this site than i thought.
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The window breaker doesnt suggest that to me. It suggests being scared of being driven somewhere against their will.
Is that really your take away? Its not about driving into water… The seatbelt cutter is not the point, the window breaker is. The fear is of being trapped inside an uber or similar - window and child locks engaged and being kidnapped or held against your will.
All of the other items are about protecting yourself from people who may wish you harm, why would the window breaker be any different?
Not sure if you are just trolling or you smoke too much of the manosphere shit but in any case, you might want to turn off the internet and go out to touch some grass and maybe talk to a sane person.
You’re talking to a dude that’s very likely DMing 40 different women he’s never met complaining about how they never go for the nice guys.
I know one of those, and another one that’s becoming one. It’s very funny to see them saying stuff like (and this is a quote) “I know what they (women) want, they just won’t listen to me, as if they knew better”. Then they wonder how approaching their 40s they are still alone and have been ghosted several times.
Gross. You’d think they’d get it after being left on read after they send “hey beautiful” to the Nth stranger on the internet, but people like that are just incapable of maturing.
I mean, this guy shared with us (when I was still part of that group, that I left for obvious reasons) some screencaps of his chat with a woman that would have been hilarious in a sitcom:
The guy insisted on asking her out for a coffee several times. Last time, she replied with a simple “yeah, we’ll see”.
He took that as a confirmation for a date (that never happened because she didn’t come) and, angry because she “betrayed him”, he sent her 2 voice messages (each one 3 minutes long) explaining how she betrayed him, and how bad she was because he took that time for her and yada yada.
She ghosted him of course. And he’s still saying he was right and she was just a bitch.
Okay dude, you just keep going that way, no wonder why women don’t want to touch you even with a 6 meter pole…
Window breakers are useful in any situation where the doors and windows are disabled; crashes, rollovers, fires, floods, Tesla being fucky.
Seatbelt cutters are not usually needed in water situations, but are good in crashes where seatbelts are jammed. The style shown doesn’t work on modern cars with laminated windows, one like this is better: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPS54FYL
I don’t think that item fits the message the meme is trying to express. Everyone should have a window breaker.
I can smell the fedora.
That’s not the fedora 🤢
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Pointing out that they enjoy making other people’s day shittier is also important, more for others than for them, i doubt the guy above cares.
Haven’t seen an r/whoooosh here on Lemmy yet.
r/whooooosh
Ya we need more women in construction
I’m a man, and after seeing this I’m definitely buying the door lock thingy to prevent another man (3 years old son) getting into my office yelling during another meeting.
Honestly didn’t know it existed
Could have used this a well, 89 yo Gramma with dementia not a 3yo though
for actual security, you’d want something beefier though.
I have a glock with a bullet in case the toddler makes into the room.
The bullet is for me.
Could try a rubber door stop as well.
Huh, I’d never thought about window breakers in that context.
A nice whack to the skull ought to do the job.
Take the point and dig it into their skin, somewhere soft and sensitive if you can. Behind the knee, on the ankle, or foot, may limit mobility a bit. The best bet is the pain will surprise them long enough for you to break free, or as a distraction to assist a friend.
It’s not super practical for defense, however. It will be best used to escape a building or vehicle. Spiderweb the windshield so they can’t see, or so a cop pulls them over. Bathroom or back room with a window you can’t open? Now you can.
Yeah I’m not sure it’s an entirely practical option otherwise
I have the sudden urge to want to buy thigh high steel toe boots with built in knee pads. If such boots exist.
You can get them at the Lumberjack store
This kind of difference is always quite profound IMO. “Things for men” and “things for women” in almost every context is going to give different results. Doesn’t matter if it’s ppe or personal defense, or safety… In almost all cases, there’s going to be different results if you include gendered terms in your search.
I imagine “support” would yield a very different result when including your gender too. But like I said, far from the only examples.
Yeah, but I don’t think seeing fruit consumption by gender is going to highlight social issues.
I will choose to believe people are out there eating their grandfathers instead of looking up what a pawpaw is.
Blame seo
Genuinely curious what is the door lock thing?
You are supposed to hook the metal half onto the doorframe where the door’s latch would go, then you can use the red part to hook onto it to keep the door from opening.
https://addalock.com/product/addalock/
It’s to physically lock hotel doors so they (again physically) can’t be opened from the outside.
Most of them are trash, but there exist good ones.What’s the use case? All the hotels I stayed at needed a key card to enter (outside door handle won’t work without), and some of them even allowed you to lock against that… is it to protect against staff? Abusive partners who left the room? Or are other hotels different?
The thing is that the inside lock can always be bypassed from the outside by staff. One of the best measures against that is a little strap that makes it possible to physically keep the little latch in place. When it’s overwritten it normally snaps back, but that strap keeps it in place.
Protecting against staff is one thought, also against people who really want to get in your room like abusive partners and such.
I totally understand why being in a room that for a fact can easily be opened by a stranger can be quite unsettling to people, especially women.Bingo. It’s not the door lock protecting you in a hotel, it’s the front desk person choosing whether or not to give your key out to strangers applying a little social engineering pressure. “He seemed like a nice guy and he said it was his wife’s room, so I gave him a key”.
At least key cards won’t open the manual locks on these:
The door can’t be opened without a card even when “unlocked”, and the manual lock will keep the door closed until someone uses a physical key.
But I guess you can’t know in advance if your hotel has these (though I don’t remember staying in a hotel in the last 5 years that didn’t). Though I’d think a hotel could get into a lot of legal trouble if they just gave out keys to rooms to guests that aren’t listed in the reservation…
Both the automatic lock and privacy lock can be instantly unlocked with the right key card. Of course you hope only the hotel has those, and that they’re secured, and those who have access can be trusted… but you never really know. Even the deadbolt/lock bar can be opened from the outside with the right tool. Be safe out there!
Makes sense, as after reading it I was wondering what it does that the kind of lock that can be engaged from the inside without an exterior keyhole doesn’t already. So it’s just for purely tool-less quick installation.
