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      IT people hate computers.

      IT people hate users. IT people hate other IT people. We’re just a surly lot.

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        I’ve had the privilege of working with users with actual computer training. Old ladies who started working on terminals in the 70s and 80s. They were awesome, because they actually understood what they were doing. They could give me an accurate description of what they were doing when shit went wrong. They had real concerns and realistic requests for improvement. And they never blamed the computer when they encountered something they didn’t understand. They’re all dead or retired now.

        Todays computer illiterate workforce is doomed to be incompetent because they don’t understand how their main tool works. Nobody bothered to train them.

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          The complicated thing here is there are so many layers of abstraction to make things easier to use and understand that if you didn’t age with the tech, it’s really hard to fully understand. That’s everything. I see Angular and React developers who don’t understand CSS.

          My last position, we had classes that set sizes for everything in multiples of 4 pixels. So size-1 is 4 pixels, size-2 is 8 pixels, etc. And everything was sized with those classes. Which means if you ever wanted to resize anything, you have to go to every element and change the class instead of you know, having input controls have distinct classes.

          People are layering on abstraction without understanding why and throwing away all the benefits, time to invent another abstraction layer! I had my tech lead argue with me that this was a better system because “standards”. I’m going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can’t imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards.

          I got started learning transistors and Boolean algebra and programming an 8-bit cpu in college. Had computers for a few years before that. It’s surprising how many conditionals I see that can be simplified by Boolean algebra.

          I don’t actually hate computers, and I try to give IT workers some grace because I’m not always proud of the work I do when I have to finish 3 months of work in two weeks. But I’ve worked with a lot of folks who aren’t curious or looking to learn and improve, and I have to wonder why they ever got into IT in the first place.

          For me the worst part of IT is the god damned management. Any possible productivity gains from agile are undercut at every turn by management who has to have a concrete promise of a delivery date before they even define the ask.

          Anyway, sorry for the rant. Started my long weekend early and starting a new job next week, so I have a lot of pent up rants from my last company.

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            We’re all standing on the shoulders of giants, but there are so many layers of giants that it’s hard to see the ground.

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            I’m going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can’t imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards.

            Ahahahahahahaha! Oh man, you got a good laugh out of me this morning 🤣

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              I mean, there’s idiots and there’s idiots, you know? Yeah those classes should never have existed and maybe that’s evidence enough of idiocy, but there is an abundance of folks smarter than me. Surely they could hire one of them…

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          Thing is, back in those days computers were deterministic.

          A certain action caused a certain reaction, and always the same reaction (given the same context).

          Anyone could learn that, as long as they bothered to read the screen (a surprisingly rare talent, to be fair).

          Now, at least on windows, it’s anyone’s guess what random mayhem a certain action might cause, or where the interface to perform that action has gone after the last update, supposing it still exists and the system survived the update.

          No one can learn that. And anyone foolish enough to try will certainly be driven insane.

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          Todays computer illiterate workforce is doomed to be incompetent because they don’t understand how their main tool works. Nobody bothered to train them.

          There also so many things restricting the usage of the tool. Every week my scanner tells me it has a new software update and I cannot install a simple update without admin access, so I have to call help desk and have them remote into my computer so they can click the “ok” botton.

          Everything is so walled off there’s no reason to learn how any of it works because you have no access. When the security bios update (forget what it was called) fucked everyone’s computers last year I found a fix online and could have easily went to several locations and got them up and running, but no one on site has the access to boot into safe mode and instead we all just sat on hold with help desk for 2 days waiting for IT to do the thing I already knew how to do.

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          I have read this ten times now, and I still can’t figure out what it is supposed to mean…

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            Printers are known in IT to be a utter pain in the ass. Most brands are also using a lot of proprietary stuff and it limits interoperability. Drivers for example.

            Well known example is about ink cartridges. HP added identification chips on them, so if you want to use an other brand, not HP, to fill your printer, you can’t because if no chip is detected despite a cartridge being inserted, the machine will tell you it is not genuine.

            Another example with Rycoh. I don’t know if their printers still use this method, so take it as an example of capitalist greed more than a current situation. Laser printers are using a sealed container to process waste created during printing. Rycoh had placed a led detector inside to know when it was full and trigger an alert, stopping the machine and request for a change. Good idea in theory but in practice the detector was placed very oddly or on purpose near or in front of dust intake. So it was bathed very quickly in electrostatic dust and thus triggered the alarm very quickly, even if your container was not fully filled. The only way to solve this was to shake your waste storage, hoping it would clean the led enough to keep going for a few days or change it.

            Lastly, I have a Brother printer, bought to a neighbor sale. The oven inside, which is in charge of heating the ink, had a failure. It had melted. For the price, it was a deal. I only needed to buy a new part, unplug it, replace and I had a laser printer with colours. Well, Brother had lightly soldered pins linking the connector to PCB. When I unplugged it, soldering came with it. I contacted a repair store near me telling me they don’t do it and I should ask for a repair to a certified Brother technician. Which is overpriced. I also can’t open it fully as it is placed to be impossible to repair without disassembling half of the machine.

            No printer is the same, some brands are better than others. Some are well accepted on Linux with CUPS, some other not. But so far, not one brand impressed me well enough by their design to keep it open, easily fixable and long lasting.

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      I’m an IT person and I like computers, as long as they’ve never been turned on and they stay that way.

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      This absolutely applies to me. I’m so sick of computers and software and security and subscriptions and vendors. I just want my own animal sanctuary with chickens and otters and baby goats god dammit!

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      Some of this is absurd, but I feel like a lot of it is tongue-in-cheek stuff or just “let’s see how far we can push things into ridiculousness before your grandma notices that something’s off”.

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    And anyone in a field related to studying living creatures in nature hate pesticides/herbicides. Because pesticides harm everything that eats the thing that eats the thing that eats the thing that eats the pesticide.

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      Same thing with lead shot accumulating in large birds.

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        Wait, so the lead shots imbed in the animals that eat the lead shot large birds? And again for the animals that eat the animals that eat the lead shot large birds?

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          If an animal gets shot with lead, survives and runs away, there is now a wounded animal or an animal carcass containing lead somewhere in the wild.
          If it is wounded or freshly dead a carnivore will eat it and accumulate lead. That may be large carnivore or a smaller carnivore that later gets eaten by a bigger one. Birds tend to have stronger stomach acid that most mammals, allowing them to dissolve the lead better.
          Vultures having it the worst as they will eat any carcass and have the strongest acid.

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    Firemen hate pedophiles

    Teachers hate pedophiles

    Doctors hate pedophiles

    Lawyers hate pedophiles

    Liberals hate pedophiles

    Conservatives hate pedophiles

    Independents hate pedophiles

    Where’s the fucking list Donny? Give us the list you fat orange fuck. We know you’re on it, and so do you. How did you think this was going to pan-out, dumbass?

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      Software devs also hate UX/UI Designers.
      And Product Owners.
      And Scrum Masters.
      And Software Architects.
      And Security/Compliance Managers.
      And QA Testers.
      And worst of all… Software devs.

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        Software devs also hate UX/UI Designers.

        I would never be able to explain coherently the difference between UX and UI people. I’ve only worked for one company that even had a UX guy on staff. He was paid an insane amount of money (close to half a mil per year) and as far as I could tell did absolutely nothing except insist that certain procedures be followed rigorously. He never designed anything at all himself.

        He was the only coworker I’ve ever had who ended up refusing to speak to me or even acknowledging my existence. This came about because I wrote a TV Guide-type app for Blackberry which our client loved and insisted on having added to their corporate app. The UX guy insisted that no app could be produced unless it was preceded by a formal design document, so he was forced into the situation of having to produce a design document for an app that had already been written, which completely broke his brain. Or rather, he was forced into ordering someone else to do this, since as I mentioned he never actually did anything himself.

        He eventually left because he got a job offer for way more money lol. I guess I shouldn’t make fun of somebody who had the system figured out far better than me.

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          I thiiiink the thing with UX is that they consider overall usability and click paths, while UI is more down in the reeds and looks at more specific things like alignment, design language and color choices. The line between seems pretty blurry though, and how it works in practice probably differs widely between companies.

          A good UX/UI team can make or break a project. As a Frontend-focused software dev, that kinda hurts admitting. It’s just always very frustrating to deal with them, because designers are specialized in design. So they neither know about technical limitations that make trivial seeming things hard (like conditionally changing a buttons color based on server state) but they also don’t know about technical “freebies” that the libraries we use give us (like just telling a component that they can overflow and render things wherever you want in ways that Figma would never allow you to design). So talking to them is hard, which leads to a spiral of never talking to them, fucking up the UX, and then dodging them while they try to get the UX fixed. That just sucks for everyone involved.

          Hating the Design Team is apparently such a universal experience that Josh W Comeau has a great article on it. Really worth the 15min read, if you want to improve your relationship with the design team!

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          I would never be able to explain coherently the difference between UX and UI people.

          In theory, UX deals with the psychology behind it: What do people want that our product can provide? Does our product communicate that it can do so? Do people understand how to use the product? Does the product guide them through usage helpfully? Are they satisfied with the result?

          Perhaps most nebulously: How do they feel before, while and after using the product, independent of the product itself, and how does that impact their experience? For instance, if you’re buying a train ticket, you might already be stressed and annoyed, so you’ll have less patience.

          Source: My wife, who had UX as the focus of her undergrad.

          In practice, a lot of people are like you in that they don’t really know or grasp the field, particularly managers who aren’t qualified to make the hiring decisions they do and accordingly there’s always gonna be people capitalising on that ambiguity and grifting their way to a cushy “I’m important and get to have a say, so pay me well” job.

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        And themselves from a month ago…

        … when they said to themselves "This little piece of code is fine, I don’t need to change it now. I’ll just refactor it later. "

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        Some of us are real go-getters and realize we can bring the farm to us long before we retire! I am currently typing this on my Linux couch computer wearing lightweight clothes with literal dirt smeared on them, on a dinner break before I return to the back yard and continue today’s construction project. Sometimes being a “farmer” also means becoming a carpenter!

        Granted, it works much better for the suburban homeowner than anybody living in a city and/or an apartment.

        And when I refer to myself as a “farmer,” all my animals are family pets cared for as a hobby. There is 0% business plan. Well, probably negative %. When we have too many animals (usually too many fish in the pond) we give them away for free!

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          Count another one for the sysadmin building a homestead in the forest while also building platforms for evil corpos from home.

          I also have no intent of ever turning my farm into any kind of income. But it is definitely worth all of the extra work to spend any breaks sitting outside surrounded by animals, trees, water and sky.

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          That does sound nice, but in writing this from my work from home location right near to the beach. But my second choice would be someplace with a lot of woods and some good star gazing.

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    Psychoanalysts hate those blotchy black & white images of my mother’s pussy giving birth to my father who is wielding a knife with my name written along the hilt. “Stop bringing these fucking drawings in here!” she yells. God forbid a man have hobbies.

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    Structural engineers: fire, water, air and earth. They are like the Anti-Avatar

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    ENTs hate Q-tips?!

    That doesn’t make sense to me. But, then again, you are very small.