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In order to proceed with this date, please answer the following questions.
Are you a facist? Y/N
Seems reasonable.
In order to proceed with this date, please answer the following questions.
Do you want to destroy this country or not?
Nah, “are you a fascist?” is better. Because to fascists, they think they are “saving” the country
¿Por qué no los dos?
It says “questions” after all.
True, it is like the double blind red flag to think that you’re a fascist and also not destroying the country
That doesn’t imply fascist - a lot of good people can imagine there’s no countries.
You’d think that it would be an easy question to answer, but most wouldn’t know if they were.
Show them a picture of a brown or black kid and ask them if the child has inalienable human rights. That usually outs them.
but fascists will never admit they are fascists. too Yurripean.
Chemistry is worthless if they want to report all of your family
Report, deport, whatever
It’s hilarious to me that the only people in this thread complaining about how hard dating is are people that I have tagged previously for having really heinous opinions.
How do you tag ppl on lemmy?
I use the Voyager app. Press and hold on the name.
I also use Voyager and when I press and hold your name I can only send you a message or block you. Weird ._.
Oh yea you have to turn it on in Settings>User Tags. Kinda stupid that it’s off by default, I might draft a Pull Request when I get around to it.
Omg that is so useful!! Thank you!
And MAGA bros are looking for
Which are representational traditional Christian selfless values that Jesus intended
Given the amount of silicone needed to achieve the maga doll look I suspect that the comments upthread about sexbots might be more on the nose than initially thought- at least in some circles, and especially as the women on the right decide that they don’t want to be chattel.
especially as the women on the right decide that they don’t want to be chattel.
This has to happen first.
Since this political cartoon aged like cheese (and I’m as surprised as anyone by that) I don’t think a streak of independence in conservative women is going to be driving the sexbot industry anytime soon.
My god they are all so butt ugly
They all look like aliens. Why is this a popular look?
and they all drive hot pink Corvettes. Why do Yuppie women over 40 today look like they are eating two sausages at once?
They’re trying to synthesize the two Republican fetishes: children, and blonde-haired blue-eyed Aryans.
If you’re none of those things, trying to look like that artificially leads to some wacky results.
They are the aliens from They Live trying to normalize their appearance before removing the masks?
Hitler approved aesthetic (they would think this is a compliment)
That’s good. Who wants to date a fascist child-rape supporter?
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I could never trust or respect a second-term Trump voter. That says to me quite plainly that person doesn’t have any values, principles, or ideas. At least none that would be compatible with mine.
Can’t trust the principals of a second term, but you can’t trust the basic reasoning of the first term.
He’s never been that coy about what he wants to do.
I remember the first term rhetoric. ‘Drain the swamp’ was high on the list. After Bernie got the shaft, it was tempting to vote for Trump, especially with how Clinton was viewed as heavily entrenched in the capitalist status quo.
Then my wife said that she wouldn’t ever vote for someone who came from a place of hate, and I very quickly changed my mind.
He meant drain the swamp into DC not out :)
Ohhh, I missed that part somehow.
If I’m on a date and she tells me that she voted for Donald Trump, I’m asking for the check and walking the fuck out of there. Certain behaviors are deal breakers.
Yeah but I don’t want to be around fascist enablers so no, I won’t be compromising.
Are there honestly examples where two people significantly disagreed politically and got along with each other? Life itself is hard enough, I want a teammate not an oppressor.
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I’m pretty staunchly left leaning and am friends with a MAGA supporter. If anything, he isn’t an outright bad person, he’s just…really ignorant and holds some very warped and manipulated views of reality. He tends to just see headlines and not think critically about what information he accepts as fact, instead operating primarily on emotion (shocker). I feel like I’ve changed his mind on a few things, but I’ll certainly never dig him entirely out of that trench, not that that’s really my place or goal. These days we mostly just avoid talking politics, probably because he’s sick of me debunking all the crap that comes out of his mouth lol.
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This sounds like something right out of 1930s Germany.
You’re not really wrong, but what else should I do? It’s not like I let his bullshit slide and shrug it off and go “oh you!” I let him know when he’s wrong and why he’s wrong, and we can still remain friends. That’s a win in my opinion.
Read They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer. Then lend it to your friend.
You say that like I’m the problem here. As if I don’t actively resist MAGA and MAGA thinking. Should I just completely abandon my friend and let him become an even worse version of himself, or should I apply resistance to his line of thought and help him see why he’s wrong?
Further polarization of the population only makes the issue worse, but do not for a second mistake my sentiment for idle support or acceptance.
I didn’t mean to imply you were wrong, and I’m sorry if I came across that way.
That book opened my eyes to how people passively accepting fascism think, and I think it’s a great way to understand how to talk to such people. That was all.
Then, perhaps giving them such a book might be a way to give them insight and might help them realise how their own thoughts are like those who were interviewed for the book. Like hey, I found this book interesting, what do you think sort of thing.
I didn’t mean to imply anything other than it might help.
e: also, it’s not a polarising book. It’s highly sympathetic
Identity politics have reached such an extreme that people really are what they vote, and the politics reflect that.
Politics used to be more of “we both want the country to go the same way, we just disagree on how to get there.”
Now one side is “fuck democracy, ostracize the lgbtq people, bring on the brownshirts, fuck science and the climate, too!” With pretty broad support for many of those motives.
It’s not that the system has become important, it’s that the participants have debased the system to the lowest hanging fruit on the asshole tree.
When fascism (oppression) rises, the only things in the middle of the road are yellow lines and dead armadillos. You can either be on one side or the other, staying in the middle you’ll just end up dead.
I don’t think that was up for debate.
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Fact-checking deadass doesn’t work anymore, unfortunately. A lot of these people are anti-science and anti-equality.
And if not that, then they just care so much about being a “good Christian” that they are willing to look the other way and ignore evidence.
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I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that you aren’t a member of one of the demographics that the fascists are trying to oppress. Debating abortion rights as a woman of reproductive age is literally arguing for my right to live in the event that I accidentally get pregnant because a pregnancy would quite literally kill me. Arguing for LGBTQ+ rights is arguing for the rights of my sibling to exist or for my best friend to marry her soon-to-be wife. I have the privilege of being white, but for BIPOC, arguing for racial equality and justice is literally trying to convince bigots that they are actually humans with equal rights.
These discussions become significantly more taxing and distressing when you’re going in rhetorical circles with someone who is telling you to your face that they think you are less worthy of rights and that your life doesn’t matter to them.
Please, correct me if I’m wrong here, but this is something I see a lot from leftist cis-men and white leftists is the failure to recognize the toll these conversations take on those who are the direct targets of that bigotry.
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I would wager that many of us were raised with some basic shared ethical values. Things like “if you break it, you repair, replace, or pay for it” or “if you make a mistake, learn from it and do better.”
Someone who repeatedly makes the same mistake without learning from it is a bad person. Voting for a Republican or conservative Democrat once could be called a mistake, but doing it repeatedly, denying the evidence of your eyes and ears and bank account — or worse, repeatedly participating in the widespread harm and oppression, and failing to fight against it after aiding them — makes you a bad person. Being tired, overworked, deceived, stupid, or any other excuse does not grant absolution. Actions have consequences, and therefore actions matter. Making a mess accidentally doesn’t make you a bad person, but failing to recognize a mistake and/or failing to correct it and/or doing it again does.
I would wager that many of us were raised with some basic shared ethical values. Things like “if you break it, you repair, replace, or pay for it” or “if you make a mistake, learn from it and do better.”
You see. That’s what I thought but it’s become apparent that ~35% of Americans didn’t learn these basic values, or if they did - they have chosen to disregard them.
It is no longer a political issue.
We do not agree on a core values level anymore.
I love my dad, but he is a brainwashed, socially inept fool who does whatever the church tells him because they speak for god and they provide him friendship and respect. He thinks I’m lost and has no idea how to approach me. I feel the same about him.
I’m more than okay with talking but would not advocate for anyone to date a Trump voter. That speaks to a profound lack of judgement / humanity that will eventually rear its head in the relationship. If someone voted for Trump but is then reformed, sure that could be considered om a case by case basis but otherwise it’s a hard stop for me and many people. Especially if any of the women in my life were dating a Trump supporter, I would be genuinely concerned for their safety.
no it makes them bad.
the only people that could’ve stomached voting for trump are racists or bigots… xenophobes….
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if they weren’t one of those, there’s no way they’d be so ignorant as to not have heard him say some nazi, racist shit….
i could forgive someone for being naive for just about any other election, but not that.there are thousands and thousands of median voters who have no idea what’s going on in politics and figure a vote for trump was the same as a vote for bernie was the same as a vote for clinton and so on. It doesn’t make them bad it makes them overworked, ignorant, tired or poorly educated.
God, I do so love reading liberal apologia. Fascism is at your door and all you can do is cry about how people aren’t doing enough to understand them.
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Tell me, how does one go about changing a fascist?
The main problem is that, even more so than the past, people’s politics is their identity.
It’s their family, their church life, their friends, and possibly even their neighbors if they live in a particularly conservative area. The same is true for liberals.
Trying to change them is quite literally like trying to change how they were raised, who they associate with, etc. In some cases, they may even be ostracized for “changing sides” if people found out.
It’s just not feasible.
The problem is with the fact that when the discussion about human rights, there is no middle ground. There is no compromise when it comes to human rights. Everyone deserves the same rights and protections, and if someone is trying to argue that people who have more melanin or aren’t completely cis-het deserve fewer rights, there is no middle ground to be had.
Thankfully, I’m married and don’t have to deal with this bullshit, but if I was dating these days, I would open with asking if they support my right to bodily autonomy and if their answer was anything besides “yes, absolutely”, I’d get up and leave. Although, if I had to try to date these days, I’d probably just date women because I’m bi and men can be a coin toss on basic safety.
the reality is more nuanced
In general, when it comes to dating, it seems everyone really just wants the idea in their head and nothing else. I’m just glad I’m a person who doesn’t need someone else to feel whole.
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I haven’t experienced this at all. I don’t doubt your experience and you’re not the only one saying this, but I wonder why our experiences are so different? I never really did the online dating thing though.
That’s because people are being kidnapped and murdered by the state now. Blame the side doing the kidnapping and murdering, and maybe fight back so we can go back to a time where political disagreement is not life or death.
If so, this magical median voter is so poorly informed that they are not worth your time.
The median voter is a privileged dumbfuck who has no consistent set of values to begin with.
I mean, this journalist went out to intentionally date alt-right men:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU5gjuffw3E
I’m sure some of you guys have seen it. I’ve seen multiple videos and I think the first date was a guy that threatened to kill her before and that women like her would either be killed or be slaves or something like that. She also said that these men hang around left-leaning people and act and talk like them when they’re in front of others. So they seem to hide well too.
Now I’m pondering the hypothetical situation of having “chemistry” with a fascist. And it sounds a lot like most abusive relationships.
Remember that even Hitler was very charismatic and soft spoken on most of his personal interactions.
Charisma as very little to do with morals.
Isn’t there that story of him on a date just beating the shit out of his dog and not getting another date?
You’re right that charisma has little to do with morals, but I’d say Hitler is a prime example of someone only charismatic on stage. People who’d bought in entirely liked him, but he was no Heidrich or Eichmann.
Fascists are great liars
Why is every girl I meet alt right.
Probably because they are the only single ones because of their red flags.
Stuck in a red state?
Canada.
Canada, the reddest of the states.
Alberta?
I mean, why waste your time with someone who might have diametrically opposed values to you? Just skip them and warn your friends, I guess, lol.
Just saying “I didn’t vote for Trump” isn’t enough. You have to follow up that question with “Why?” and their answer will tell you more about their politics than their voting record. For example, there are authoritarians that didn’t vote for Trump because he’s simply not their particular brand of authoritarian.
We ain’t dating someone who doesn’t think ALL people deserve equal rights in this goddamn country. Go fornicate yourself, you shitweasel, and stop wasting our time.
There ya go! That is the opinion of a lot of women just in case it wasn’t clear enough.
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DSA meetings tbh. I know people think they are democrat lovers but since 2016 the org has moved more and more to the left and marxists are pretty popular.
This gives joy.
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Yet another reason why most people are just waiting for sex-bots to become more sophisticated and cost-effective to own.
If you make politics the main topic of discussion on your first date, you’re just not an interesting person. The person sitting across from you gets that shit 24 hours a day, every day, and they aren’t going to want it from you just based on the remote possibility of sex when masturbation is a thing.
It’s not about talking politics, but knowing that the other person doesn’t have deal breaker beliefs. Once that potential incompatibility is filtered out, then a meaningful relationship can be built.
Also, there will always be like-minded nerds who genuinely love to talk about any special interest, including politics. Your preference isn’t universal.
I get what people think is going on here. I’m just offering a perspective that I’m pretty sure the people here haven’t considered.
The perspective that they should just ignore the fact that the person they’re talking to may be voting their rights away and supporting known rapists?
Totally.
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What perspective then? Explain.
If you feel that your politics are getting in the way of your romantic life, maybe you could reexamine your politics rather than forswear romance.
Then again, considering your reasoning here, maybe everyone is better off with the choice you made.
Judging by the state of dating, I’m the one winning here. The rest of you are miserable. :)
I’m over here enjoying my time.
How terrible and open about it are you that people are attacking you for your politics 24/7?
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I think so, yes. It’s going to be very interesting to see the societal effects on dating, marriage, and childbirth statistics once sex-bots are commonplace.
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I mean, I have an active enough social life with a mixed group of men and women whom I enjoy spending time with but I’m not really interested in dating any of them. I’ve never been able to find a woman with a sex drive anywhere close to mine and I’ve always found romantic relationships to be pretty unfulfilling because of that so I no longer pursue them. If there was an affordable sex robot that provided a realistic enough experience to fulfill that need I’d certainly consider getting one. I don’t think I’m a typical case though most of the dudes I know don’t seem as bothered by the lack of sex as I am so there’s probably something wrong with me that makes me this way.
What are you basing this on?
It’s all conjecture at this point, but there are a few reasons why I think people will seek out synthetic companions once they’re more sophisticated and commonplace: Increasing social isolation and dissatisfaction with human relationships, the economic efficacy of LLM companions, and the effectiveness of algorithmic manipulation in social media and via LLM’s.
I think it’s going to be interesting to see the effects on society when it is possible for most people to be able to choose a sex-bot over dating another human being.
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I don’t think “I’ve heard this prediction for years and it hasn’t come true yet” is much of a rebuttal, but again, this is all conjecture at this point.
Also, LLM companions are definitely not an incel-only phenomenon.
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The correlation between the two is instant gratification and a machine filling gaps where human behavior is generally deficient, in this case, emotional support and affection. If enough people are knowingly willing to engage with and create relationships with digital companions that they know aren’t real, such that a competitive market exists to create these products for them and it’s profitable, it’s really not a stretch to presume that they’ll do the same with a physical synthetic once it’s feasible.
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great, can’t wait for sex bots to arrive so you can stay at home with them and spare the rest of the world your company and children
Whoa.
‘People have thoughts and stuff, so I can’t wait till I can have something to fuck that won’t disagree with me’?
That’s an interesting opinion. Also, you can say you don’t do politics, but politics will still do you.
I’m amazed someone would say these things without apparently thinking about them. If you just want a robot fuck toy, that’s cool (e: many of us have fantasised about the vacuum cleaner, no shade), but wanting that because real people say things you don’t like is… interesting.
You’re making a whole lot of assumptions for someone who can’t be bothered to look at a profile.
But that’s typical of people who would spend a first date interrogating someone about politics.
Your comment was pretty clear. I looked at your profile. What was I supposed to get from it that contradicted your comment?
They’re a centrist lmao
If you only See a relationship as a way to get Sex you should not be in a relationship.
Anyways, what are your thoughts on the invasion of Ukraine?
Ok Kristina.
