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America has a Christian Nationalist problem.
America has an individualism problem and well fuck me running if Christians just happen to be the absolute worst when it comes to the rights of others being of no consequence.
This is something that hit me like a ton of bricks after living abroad for a bit. It definitely made me think a lot about how much more pleasant things are when people are at least marginally considerate of others, and just how little some people seem to do it in the US.
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Oh I’m aware it always has. I remember learning in grade school, about the Puritans coming to America and being told it was a good thing….
(Spoiler: it wasn’t)
But it’s getting worse every day.
Puritans coming to America and being told it was a good thing….
I mean, there’s a world in which protestant refugees of the Thirty Years War don’t just show up and start slaughtering native peoples.
In fact, quite a few early settler colonies ended up “Going Native” and integrating with local tribes, rather than clinging to European identity and loyalty.
But the promise of a New World Gold Rush invited all the wrong kinds of migrants. Add in the Transatlantic slave trade, and you had a thoughtfully toxic stew of feudal politics layered atop capitalist expansion.
Religion is the most destructive human invention.
But also the most successful. That is why it exists. I am pretty sure without religion we wouldn’t have been able to live together in sedentary groups larger than a few hundred people.
They wouldn’t know “gods plan” if it smacked them in the ass. They’re literally worshipping the closest analogue to the Antichrist. These people are violently clueless.
“God’s plan” is literally whatever is happening right now. Got in a car crash? God’s plan. Narrowly missed a car crash? God’s plan. Cat wakes you at 6am for breakfast? God’s plan. This whole comment? God’s plan.
His plan sucks because he made Pedos billionaires. Wait, god might he a pedo. It’s his plan afterall. Always watching you like a creep. Dude fits pedo logic 100%. Worshiping pedos, sounds on track for religious nutts.
Mary was only around 14, too
God sucks at making plans for something that is omnipotent.
My thoughts exactly. It’s a clickbait headline targeted at anyone who doesn’t realize that a third of people believe literally everything is “god’s plan.”
I get it… I believe in God as being chaos and to trust “God” is having faith in the present.
But it’s clear they aren’t actually about that, otherwise 2020 would have rolled along smoothly and they would have had the same “gods plan” mindset during the 2020 social protests.
This is social and psychological manipulation on a large scale. 5th generation warfare. This is war.
Most humans are pawns used by devils and proud that we created this lifestyle of ignorance and arrogance. Regardless of politics and parties.
Stop buying things that aren’t keeping you alive. Most people are funding and paying for this fucked up world to become less human and pretend they don’t have blood on their hands.
people are proud to be half human and made by mass media. They don’t want to know real reality because it’s difficult.
This is war
Class war?
I’m reminded of the praying hands emoji people always post in response to an announcement of a vehicle crash on Facebook. If that shit worked, why don’t they pray for God to keep the crash from happening at all?
Yeah you’re right, there is an actual “god’s plan,” but this isn’t it.
Give me a fucking break. Grow up and stop believing in fairy tales.
This. Trump literally fits the description of an “antichrist” (lowercase; one of a type) and many of the traits of the definite article (the specific Antichrist) described in the Bible.
But then they’re not expecting to be the ones deceived by an antichrist.
Even if he’s the antichrist, it’s still God’s plan by definition of the term “God” literally. The only question is if God exists or not. Or for me the question rather is if God’s existence matters or not.
I’d suggest it depends on whether one assumes we have free will or not.
My understanding of the Bible is that humanity has free will and so there are lots of things that happen that technically aren’t God’s will or plan (e.g. John 3:16 is pretty well known as mentioning God not wanting anyone to perish but for everyone to have eternal life, but then there’s also the Great White Throne Judgement in Revelation where there are definitely some who are cast into the Lake of Fire - the second death). There’s a good argument to be made as well for the prophetic parts of the Bible not being “God’s will” but simply the result of Him being outside time and space and hence knowing what the result of humanity’s free will will be.
So no, I don’t think the Antichrist is part of God’s plan per se; rather, God knows there will be an Antichrist and that’s given as a warning so people 1) aren’t deceived by him and 2) know that God can handle him (in Revelation it ends badly for the Antichrist).
Romans 9 would like a word:
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Ah yes, the issue of predestination vs. free will in the Bible. There are definitely some that believe in predestination, or a deterministic/pre-determined outcome. Personally I don’t think this is an accurate reading.
Some of the answers to the same question posed here - https://christianity.stackexchange.com/a/77861 - I think cover it well. https://reknew.org/2015/08/paul-teaches-free-will-not-determinism-romans-9-part-3/ also touches on why this passage is not suggesting God predestines some for salvation and some for damnation. Again, I think this comes back to the argument that the God of the Bible knows what people’s choices will be and acts accordingly.
Makes sense somehow but then God isn’t omnipotent and/or all loving so looks like a contradiction to me. Or maybe he just gave up on humanity?
I guess that depends on how you define those terms - being omnipotent wouldn’t necessarily require the exercise of that power, whilst “all-loving” would depend on whether you consider allowing people free will and hence the ability to reject God to be loving or not.
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I remember reading that in Trump’s first term.
It’s even more unsettling now.
I mean for a religious person everything should be god’s plan, right?
That is logical. Practically, though, this is used for justification of selected events. If a person confronts with something he doesn’t like, e. g. bugs in his home, he will actively try to change it.
Doesn’t mean they have to be passive. They could say God did this to provoke me to do something against this.
I mean it’s similar to the question why god allows all this suffering and evil in the world. I think the common answer is to test us and to give us the opportunity to do good or something like that.
That is convenient. This way you can explain anything you like. I think, Sam Harris said “it’s like playing table tennis without a net”.
That’s the point of religion. Providing some kind of psychological comfort by giving answers to questions we can’t answer.
But we can answer the question of why god allows bad things to happen: god isn’t real.
No, no, only the good parts.
Not good, just the convenient parts.
TIL one in three Americans suffer severe mental health disorders.
Unfun fact! Carter tried to establish community mental health care centers across America, but Reagan immediately undid it.
Same thing for solar panels. When carter left, he installed the first solar panel on the white house and said ‘this will either mark a new beginning or a path untaken’. Reagan took it down.
Now China is kicking everyone’s ass in solar panels. And Trump hates renewables so much that he wants to shut down a windfarm in New England that is almost finished, had already cost a lot of money, would employ thousands, and provide a fuckload of cheap electricity to a lot of people.
Sounds about right.
At least one in three. Theres some in the democratic party and independents as well. Its probably at least half.
I’ve heard that some people believe trump is indeed god’s plan, to bring an end to the US
Unhappy, simple-minded people cling to prophecy of change, children’s fairy tales of a day when everything will be better and some paternal figure will protect them and give them all the presents they ever wanted.
It’s not a coincidence that education and exposure to diverse cultures and beliefs tends to make for a less religious population and why religion is shrinking in larger cities and more connected locations around the world.
The problem is that these people are basically armed serfs, in indentured servitude to their ideological leaders, they are pure political capital if you can harness them and holy shit have we seen that plan bear fruit.
“It’s God’s plan” is the phrase people use to comfort themselves when disasters happen, so I guess that tracks regarding Trump’s rule.
Yeah. Everyone assuming this is some sort of praise or support of the current presidency really don’t know how that phrase is normally used. Half the time I heard that phrase it was in a “wtf is going on right now”/“this shit sucks” sort of way.
Shitty clickbait title is shitty.
But confirmation bias is real, judging from this comment section populated by the incurious.
In my experience growing up evangelical, it’s as much a plea as it is an assertion.
It’s also gods plan that the Middle East nukes themselves so Jesus will return and the rest of us will go to heaven. Except for Hindus and the Chinese and a ton of other people.
Daily reminfer that 33% of the US is crazy, and the majority hate Trump.
Aparently they didnt hate him enough to vote against him.
They did.
The US is not a democracy
The winning candidate in the 2024 election was “none”
“Didn’t Vote” could as easily be “Any/All” as “None”. Also discounts the voters who were legally disenfranchised or otherwise discouraged from participating.
Hence “not a democracy”. Voters don’t pick their politicians. Politicians pick their voters.
No it was “I don’t care, just take whoever the others want”.
A Christian (or, really, anyone who believes in predestination) thinking “X is Part of God’s Plan” is perfectly consistent with their understanding of the world.
It’s the Christians who don’t believe this who are being irrational
Those Christians would be inconsistent, but all Christians are irrational by definition.
Rationality is predicated on inputs and outputs. If you’re surrounded by second and third hand accounts of divine mysteries, it isn’t irrational to accept them as true absent some more compelling data. At least, no more irrational than believing in dinosaurs or the Big Bang Theory, without ever actually having seen a fossil or learned about the significance of background radiation.
Aaaaaaand this sort of shit is why I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we’re not recovering from this, and that I need to get the fuck out.
To where, please share?
Don’t have a specific place nailed down yet, but somewhere in the EU most likely, or Japan (I speak the language a bit)
It’s easier said than done. But you have an advantage speaking a foreign language.
The next life.
I’m going to live on a beach in Brasil. Life may be harder, but at least I’ll have the beach
Probably too late now. It takes years to get out legitimately. The cult is going to turn America into whitemanistan rapidly now that the foundations are laid.
Isn’t everything that happens a part of God’s plan? I do not understand the thought process of most Christians.
Everything they agree with is part of God’s plan. Everything they don’t is the work of the devil. When you can control what is “seen” as God’s plan, you can control the population. And anyone who disagrees is under the influence of the devil and an enemy. Basic cult mentality.
That sounds like kindergarten theology. I am pretty sure the common theological premise is that by definition, everything is Gods plan.
Imagine how stupid the average person is and now realize that half of them are dumber than that.
That’s a global percentage. I’m pretty sure that the United States is exclusively populated by the lower 15%
I’m a simple man. I see a Carlin quote, I upvote.
But that’s not how averages work. We’d really be imagining the median person.
About one third of Americans are bringing the average stupidity way, way down.
And imagine a law allowing them to buy as many weapons as they want.
Now imagine each one of them is constantly plugged into a 24/7 propaganda machine designed to be entertaining and foster a sense of community and emotional validation while pushing the will of corporations and authoritarian leaders.
Religion should be added to the DSM as a dangerous disorder.
Time for a rev bump to DSM-6.66
A third of Americans are delusional
well, duh?
if you believe in God and you believe God has a plan, then this is part of that plan
how many Christians don’t believe God has a plan?
it was God’s plan for Charlie Kirkkk to die publicly. it was God’s plan for all those school children to die. it is God’s plan to abuse and murder non-whites in the US. it is God’s plan to have the wealthy and powerful abuse young women and for the masses to protect them
Yeah this just says 1/3 of US Americans truly believe in God.
So is cancer, pedophilia, child starvation and the actual literal devil. What’s their point?
The devil doesn’t exist, literally
Right. But I was responding to a headline about people who believe that the devil does literally (as written) exist, and is part of their God’s plan.
Pathetic fake fucking Christians
Pathetic fucking Christians is more like it.
Its a fucking death cult.
A blood death cult that got its start with child sacrifices…
But god is good…lol
Its insane to me that people can’t see this. Sure, it has over a thousand years of good PR, but the evil shit isn’t hidden. Its all in the bible.
The Allegory of the Cave suites nicely with religious beliefs.
“Keep watching the shadows. There is nothing but the shadows. If someone says anything different they are wrong and you are correct. Feels good to be correct. Be correct with us.”
Being incorrect about things on a consistent and constant basis can be disheartening if you’re insecure. They are wrong about so many things all the time that it’s a nice change of pace to be right. Even if that means accepting “Noble Lies”.
Would be nice. But it’s more like a pedo cult.
MAGA or Christianity?
Christianity. Its all about the end of the world.
