Sounds like gender affirming surgery to me
Reminds me of someone who pointed out that a prescription of Viagra is gender-affirming care XD
Hard disagree as a transgirl with a prescription for viagra
I don’t mean to pry, but… Why? XD
I’d assume it has some off-label applications?
some people like girl-dick. 👋
Can confirm. Not ready to give up being a subby top. Also love other peoples girl dicks too.
Fair enough!
Viagra was developed as a heart medication originally so there could be uses.
Breast reductions are extremely popular among cis men
I doubt it. They never actually talk numbers, just that it’s “the most common cosmetic surgery among cis men,” which doesn’t actually say much. Would you ever say “shooting yourself in the head is extremely popular”? After all, it’s the most common form of suicide.
Of course, I still agree with the conclusion, regardless - breast reduction surgery by anyone anti-trans is ridiculously hypocritical. Shit, so is bald men using Rogaine or any man using steroids… I’d love to see someone try to argue that those aren’t gender-affirming care 😂🤣
You make a good point, so I wanted to check the numbers
In 2019, 24,123 male patients underwent the procedure in the United States, accounting for a 19% increase since 2000
Just pulled from wikipedia.
I then found a more detailed listing from “American Society for Plastic Surgeons” that says 2024 had about 28.5k (~26.5k from gyno surgery performed exclusively on males, and another 2k from “breast reduction”, the latter of which was also performed on 75k females)
Interestingly, an additional 91 males had breast implants removed, while over 1800 received them. I believe this figure represents pectoral implants (fake chest muscles) and is not related to top surgery for trans women.
Some other notable cosmetic surgeries for males in 2024: Liposuction (21k), rhinoplasty (7k), facelift (6k), tummy tuck (4k), cheek implants (2.3k) and chin augmentation (1.2k). 79 males received butt implants!
All in, 99k males in the US received cosmetic surgery in 2024, along with 1.5 million females
99k vs 1.5 million is an insane difference!
I assumed there would be more women than men, but 15x more kind of surprised me.Was just thinking about this again, these numbers are broken out by procedure not by individual. So if someone gets more than one surgery they would be counted twice in the total
So it may be the case that most men just get the breast reduction, and women are more likely to get multiple procedures. So the total ratio of individuals might be a bit closer than 15x, but yeah women definitely face way more pressure to undertake way more changes
Why is Rogain gender-affirming? I’d say they are trying to look younger, not manlier. Baldness is very much associated with men. With that, you could argue that using Rogaine is an attempt at looking more feminine.
Calling this hypocrisy feels weird. Are the men getting these treatments transphobic? Aren’t they getting called fat f-slurs and told to hit the gym?
Top surgery for adult trans men isn’t illegal in any US state, and insurance generally doesn’t cover it for anyone, including cis men. These are adults paying out-of-pocket.
It feels weird to me to attach anger at transphobes to people who are just living their best lives and have experienced some of the same bigotry.
The men aren’t necessarily the target here. The problem is the people who think this is OK while the other is not.
But transphobes aren’t against plastic surgery; they’re against transgender people. They’re okay with it in the sense that they want everyone conforming to their assigned gender. If they actually supported the men who need this kind of surgery they’d be pushing to have it covered by Medicare/Medicaid.
I don’t need to explain why this is an awful thing to say, do I?
But the thing is, the transphobes never come right out and say they’re doing it because they hate trans people. It’s always that they have “reasonable concerns” about “safety” and “quality of life” and whatever else. It is absolutely worth pointing out that these “concerns” evaporate when we are talking about cis people, not because I think it will change their mind (it won’t, these people know they are hypocrites and don’t care), but for the sake of any onlookers who might take them at face value.
But they’re saying those things in relation to 1) children and 2) being paid for by federal health insurance.
I agree that children should have limited access to non-emergency surgical procedures and other permanent body alterations. Where we disagree is access to puberty blockers, but this article isn’t about that. If the article were about cis children getting gynecomastia corrections, that would be one thing, but cis kids face similar restrictions to trans ones in that regard.
Gynecomastia corrections aren’t covered by federal or most private insurance policies outside of direct medical concerns. Dysmorphia/dysphoria (I can’t decide which word is correct here) doesn’t cause physical pain or impair physical function, so it’s considered a cosmetic procedure. If it’s gender-affirming you have to pay for it yourself.
So the difference is actually that trans people have our dysphoria respected and treated on the taxpayer’s dime while cis men do not. (Personally, I would have everyone’s health covered by a socialized healthcare system, but I’m not King of the Universe.)
What they want is for gender-affirming treatments for trans people to be seen as cosmetic the way they are for cis people, which unfortunately is completely fair rather than hypocritical.
I’m not aware of any attempts to make it illegal for trans adults to seek private care with their own money, and I feel like the article would have mentioned that.
I think a better response is to suggest that federal insurance be expanded to cover gender-affirming care for everyone regardless of AGAB.
See, this is what I’m talking about. You are taking their arguments on good faith when they have repeatedly shown anything but. Surgeries for kids have just been their wedge; they really want to ban it all for everyone. https://abcnews.go.com/US/states-move-restrict-transgender-adult-care-amid-gender/story?id=118733720
Your link says exactly what I’ve been saying, that they’re not trying to make gender-affirming care for adults illegal; they’re trying to make it not covered by Medicaid, which is the current reality for the men in the original article who had to pay out-of-pocket for their very necessary gender-confirming surgeries.
I’m not saying that isn’t evil or that it doesn’t functionally prevent trans people in the US from receiving care. I’m not saying transphobes aren’t hypocrites in general. And I also understand that they will move the goal posts at the earliest opportunity to make things even worse. But cis men paying for their own gynecomastia treatments doesn’t really have anything to do with it. There’s no reason to campaign for them to not receive care via government funds because it’s already the case that they can’t.
If McKenzie Beard or anyone in her article were transphobes then the charge of hypocrisy would make sense, but as it stands I just see people getting mad about men going into medical debt to treat their own dysphoria. Like cis men are a monolith who all hate trans people and these aren’t likely to be the exact men who can most understand what some trans people are go through.
Regarding them coming out and saying they hate trans people:
“The truth is there’s only male and female, and there is no way that either can transition to the other,” said Calloway.
“This is what is best: men, women, having a family, having babies, procreating,” said Calloway. “Those aspects of our society are under attack through many different avenues. This is just one of those avenues – promote confusion. Cause kids to be confused. They become unstable. They become adults, and before you know it, our society is totally disrupted.”
I feel like they’ve been mask-off for a long time now. They don’t want any kind of transitioning to be happening, full stop.
they’re not trying to make gender-affirming care for adults illegal
I have a bridge to sell you
A cis man getting breast reduction surgy is a form of gender affirming care. Tranphobes won’t acknowledge that fact because cis people get surgeries and it’s normal. When trans people get surgeries, it should be made illegal.
The author isn’t a transphobe though*, so her framing of cis men getting “popular plastic surgery” isn’t hypocritical.
* To my knowledge. I browsed her previous work and nothing sus jumped out.
If they actually supported the men who need this kind of surgery they’d be pushing to have it covered by Medicare/Medicaid.
That doesn’t logically follow. That’s a separate argument entirely.
It’s gender-affirming treatment. Literally. That’s the double standard.
It’s a double standard among anti-trans people, not hypocrisy by cis men.
Yeah and I’m sure there’s zero overlap…
So … You’re saying I could grow my own breast if I get the right ormone (im)balance? Neat. There should be a guide for how to balance these …
Well, if you’re fat (like I was), adipose tissue aromatizes more testosterone to estrogen and you get gynocomastia (breast tissue growth). Also, because your body uses estrogen receptors to regulate testosterone levels, higher estrogen levels causes LH and FSH levels to drop, so you produce less testosterone.
I am very fat. My moobs are absolutely my least favorite part of that (visually anyway). A decade or so ago, I read on Reddit that one can get fluid drained to reduce the size of man boobs, regardless of physical fitness.
I want to get this done but feel stupid asking to be put under for a purely vanity matter.
I’ve lost about 75lbs+ of fat, and have a small amount of gynocomastia. After having kept the weight off for over 3 years most of my loose skin has shrunk back, but I still have a bit. It’s like wearing a skin suit a size too big. My current efforts are focused on adding muscle to fill out the saggy skin. I think I’ll be able to build my pecs enough to use the gynocomastia to just make it look like I have bigger pecs. That’s the hope anyway.
Good for you! And good luck to you.
Go figure, I like my moobs. I like fat women, too, so that probably has something to do with it.
Good for you for body positivity!
Be fat and sedentary and drink alcohol for lifestyle risk factors for gynecomastia. Or take risperdal and that can make you lactate too (but without mammary glands it’s more just that you discharge fluid, obviously not milk). Or if you just want breasts see an endocrinologist for spiro or whatever rather than fucking with bad habits or atypical antipsychotics that have other side effects
(but without mammary glands it’s more just that you discharge fluid, obviously not milk)
Cis men have mammary glands. They are undeveloped. Trans women also have mammary glands, which go through a puberty just like cis women’s. With the right hormones, trans women can in fact lactate milk.
Well shit, consider me corrected
The safest way is probably to just take estrogen, fin and/or spiro. The much less safe way is to abuse anabolic steriods
Don’t forget progesterone. Evidence supporting its efficacy for breast growth in combination with estrogen has been mostly anecdotal but there is some recent work substantiating it clinically.
Like, I’m glad these men don’t have to have breasts they don’t want, I just really wish my brothers were given the same broad courtesy.
Man if they have back problems that’s one thing. Personally I love a beefy man boobs.
