I don’t care about Maduro, as far as I’m concerned, they can shoot him if they want. What matters to me is walking through the streets of my city and seeing the faces of fear on my neighbors. The military patrolling to prevent looting due to panic. It’s a collective hangover, a horrible one.
It’s 2016 all over again. It’s seeing despair entering the circulatory system of all Venezuelans, only now it’s more sudden, and we are painfully aware of it.
This is far from improving, and we know it.
It’s bullshit and I don’t understand why our Congress is letting him do this. It’s unjustified and illegal.
Because your congress is deepthroating that fucking child rapist. That’s why.
Not just him, every billionaire gets their turn.
They’re all way too old for him
What about your military staff (Generals and the likes) Aren’t they supposed to refuse illegal orders even from potus?
Aren’t they supposed to refuse illegal orders even from potus?
Yes. Yes they are supposed to.
All the ones that would, have been replaced.
That’s why I get pissed about stories of the variety “X resigns rather than follow administrations orders”. People seem to cheer when that happens because they see it as people pushing back on illegal orders, but they’re not. They’re just bailing from responsibility when they were one of the few people in the position to legitimately be a stopgap on this runaway power abuse. In resigning, they’ve just made it easier for a loyalist or morally corrupt replacement to come in and roll out the red carpet to the autocracy. Stay right where the fuck you’re at, plant your feet, and tell them that you’re absolutely not following illegal orders from anyone. That is worth cheering.
Resigning instead of refusing an illegal order is a betrayal of their oath to the constitution, and a betrayal of the American people
This. It’s not upholding the constitution, it’s standing back and watching it get fucked, while selling books or speaking engagements.
Except the supreme court ruled no order from the executive branch is illegal
I know youre being funny about it, but I need to point out the officer’s oath is not to the president, and the supreme court is irrelevant in this.
Specifically any orders which violate the constitution, federal law, or (specifically an “or” here, not “and”) international law should be refused. Typical examples are torturing people who are detained, targeting civilians, etc.
Not exactly. They ruled the president cannot be prosecuted for illegal acts taken in the capacity of president. So it’s more “he can do illegal shit and we can’t stop him” and less “anything he does it automatically legal”. So refusing an illegal order would presumably still be a valid route of action.
But from what I know about the military, they can just punish you in some other capacity even if what you did is technically legal. Ie reassigning you to some shit duty or miserable location.
- “Fascist to the core… the most dangerous person to this country.” — Gen. Mark Milley, Trump’s Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Highest-ranking military officer). Status: Trump has suggested he should be executed for treason.
- “He fits the general definition of fascist… he certainly prefers the dictator approach.” — Gen. John Kelly, Trump’s White House Chief of Staff and retired Marine General. Status: Trump has attacked him as “dumb,” “weak,” and a “low life.”
- “Effort to subjugate American democracy by mob rule, was fomented by Mr. Trump.” — Gen. James Mattis, Trump’s first Secretary of Defense and retired Marine General. Status: Trump labeled him the “world’s most overrated general.”
- “I do regard him as a threat to democracy… I think he’s unfit for office.” — Mark Esper, Trump’s second Secretary of Defense. Status: Fired after refusing Trump’s order to “just shoot” protesters in the legs.
- “His sense of betrayal drove him to abandon his oath to ‘support and defend the Constitution,’ a president’s highest obligation.” — Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, Trump’s second National Security Adviser. Status: Publicly attacked by Trump as “naive.”
- “Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States.” — Mike Pence, Trump’s Vice President. Status: Trump has spent years attacking him for refusing to overturn the election.
- “A consummate narcissist… our country can’t be a therapy session for a troubled man like this.” — Bill Barr, Trump’s second Attorney General. Status: Trump has called him a “weak,” “lazy,” and “RINO” coward.
- “I understand what you want to do, but you can’t do it that way. It violates the law.” — Rex Tillerson, Trump’s first Secretary of State. Status: Fired; Trump called him “dumb as a rock” and “lazy.”
- “He has never cared about America… his conduct and mere existence have hastened the demise of democracy.” — Ty Cobb, Trump’s White House Lawyer during the Russia investigation. Status: Dismissed by Trump as a “weak lawyer.”
- “He makes up what he wants to say… how little of American history he knows.” — John Bolton, Trump’s third National Security Adviser. Status: Trump calls him a “wacko” and a “disgruntled boring fool.”
- “We don’t take an oath to a wannabe dictator.” — Gen. Mark Milley, during his farewell address as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Sadly a good chunk of the good ones were fired, and the others are too scared about their pensions to do anything. The rest have been installed by our glorious dictator and also suck his cock on the daily.
He’s been getting rid of those guys since day 1. Undoubtedly they came in with purge lists.
And then of course they gave this operation to a loyalist.
Yes, they are supposed to. They also are trained to follow orders, and much more vigorously.
But generally, overthrowing governments that oppose the USA is seen as routine. We do this frequently.
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but they also have alot of trump supporters in the military, im not surprised.
Congress has not wanted the responsibility to declare war that the Constitution gave them in Article 1 Section 8.
Ever since the civil war, Congress has handed more and more military power over to the Executive branch.
No country actually declares war anymore. From Wikipedia:
Declarations of war have been exceedingly rare since the end of World War II.[3][4] Scholars have debated the causes of the decline, with some arguing that states are trying to evade the restrictions of international humanitarian law (which governs conduct in war)[4] while others argue that war declarations have come to be perceived as markers of aggression and maximalist aims.
That part of the US Constitution is irrelevant nowadays and should long have been updated to require any foreign (or domestic) military operations to be first approved by Congress, not just declaring war. Doesn’t make your point of Congress granting ever more rights to the President irrelevant though.
Yeah, declaring war is only more than just words insofar as there are laws that require a declaration before certain activities or uses of powers.
Congress has allowed the president and executive branch agencies to strike other countries, kill non combatants and soldiers, occupy countries, kill Americans, and operate torture sites without needing a formal declaration of war. There are several relevant acts of Congress, but the clearest example is the Authorized Use of Military Force. We’re still using it 25 years later and Congress keeps reauthorizing it and allowing more and more broad interpretations.
We invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, and bombed several more countries in retaliation for 9/11
If you don’t understand then you haven’t been paying attention to US history.
It’s bullshit and I don’t understand why our Congress is letting him do this. It’s unjustified and illegal.
You still haven’t understand yet that your government is rigged as fuck?
The same congress that was totally cool with the Trail of Tears? I think people forget that there were people living here already and that the US has been invading sovereign nations to enrich white people since they stopped doing it in the name of Britain a few hundred years ago.
No, that was a different Congress. Roughly the 17th through 26th. This one is the 119th. They’re cool with different types of awfulness.
Native Americans didn’t get the right to vote until 1975 and 100 years after the promise we still don’t have voting members of congress. It’s the same congress.
The trail of tears was 1820-1840. It’s not the same congress, there’s a new one every two years.
You’re being pedantic. The point is obviously that it’s the same institution with the same rancid values, not literally the same people.
I mean, it’s not though. Things have changed in the last couple hundred years. Some for the better, some for the worse. But it’s not the same, just like it’s not the same as even 30-40 years ago.
It’s still an institution based on capitalism, colonialism, imperialism, and white supremacy. As is the whole country.
None of those things have changed.
$960 billion US defense budget was passed by both parties. There you go and yes, it is fucked up.
This is what has been cooking since 9/11/2001.
The AUMF grants the president the ability to just do military shit if it is in defense against “terrorism”.
Since its passage in 2001, U.S. presidents have interpreted their authority under the AUMF to extend beyond al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan to apply to numerous other groups as well as other geographic locales, due to the act’s omission of any specific area of operations. The adoption of this law does not require the targets to be state actors, but can include non-state actors, such as individual persons. In December 2016, the Office of the President published a brief interpreting the AUMF as providing congressional authorization for the use of force against al-Qaeda and other militant groups.Today, the full list of actors the U.S. military is fighting or believes itself authorized to fight under the 2001 AUMF is classified.
It should have been updated and repealed before G. W. Bush left office but it was left on the table and every president has used it.
During his first term, the Trump administration officially accused Maduro with “Narco Terrorism”. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the plan all along. It’s a stretch, for sure, but all that seems to matter to the GOP is having some speck of legal cover and the corrupt SCOTUS does the rest.
He went around Congress. It was an illegal action. Congress may try to do something to stop him, but my odds are on the Supreme Court intervening to let Trump continue to do whatever he wants.
As others have mentioned, it’s most likely legal under the AUMF.
Drug war is also legal. Slavery was legal. Legal doesn’t mean shit. But it is, probably, legal (under US law, definitely not international law but the US doesn’t give a shit about that).
I think you may have assumed America hasn’t always been a Mafia and most people in the government are just as naive as most of us regular people.
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Everyone needs to stop paying attention to the magic act going on center stage and go see what’s going on with the group behind the curtain.
Congress is held by GOP at the moment.
The Democrats have overseen scores of absolutely illegal military operations by both D and R presidents
Because they support it.
I’m sorry. What we’re doing is wrong. It shouldn’t be happening.
It’s not “we”. It’s about 7 people.
It’s we. It’s our government. It’s our country. Any action or inaction is on all US citizens.
As a Native American… no.
You get a pass.
Agreed
Settler-democratic imperialism kinda disempowered you, so your no counts big, but sadly not where it counts.
Unless you pay American tax. That’s what puts the blood on your hands… Funding it. That’s an unfuckwithable fact.
Lawsuits are already in place to remove tax burdens from Native Americans following the McGirt decision.
Good to hear!
Will have to look into this. Though I assume it’s more for those in reservation/tribal lands? I am in the rolls but not the reservation myself.
Well, the alternative is basically suicide by starvation, suicide by other means, or becoming a mass shooter. You over-estimate how much others can do.
Fuck that, I didn’t vote for the people making these decisions.
The State gets legitimised by more than just voting.
Cool, spread that blame around on every country that legitimizes the US by recognizing its sovereignty and cooperating with its military and every citizen of those countries.
EU, Russia, China, UN et al cannot legitimately make a constitution for the US. Hell, they even let West-Germany after freaking WW2 have their own constitution for a reason.
I can’t make a legitimate constitution either, any amendment requires 38 of 50 states to agree! The entire system was built to disproportionately empower rural areas because we “needed” their economic support to break free from Great Britain. (And we had substantial foreign assistance in that endeavor)
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You are exactly as capable of flying to Washington DC and “storming the capital” as I am and the result would be identical.
We do
It takes more than 7 people to produce a fighter jet.
It takes more than 7 people to launch, fly, and navigate a fighter jet.
It takes more than 7 people to kidnap an acting head of state.
The US military is complicit. The US military infustrustrial complex is complicit.
I’m not sure if I would consider US voters complicit, most of us are rendered powerless by the current electoral system, but we’ve sure got a lot of blood on our hands.
The us is a country of what? 400M people? Are you telling me 400M people can’t just kick those 7 assholes? Nah mate, it’s “you”. Because if it’s just 7 people, then it’s still “you” who are letting them do this.
Correct.
I am an American, and I keep trying to explain to other Americans that nobody else is going to fucking care for 99% of our personal excuses, for all the details of why we are not right this very moment overthrowing our very obviously demented and evil, fascist dictatorship, which is in command of the most capable implement of devastation probably ever seen on the face of the planet.
My personal excuse is that I’m literally crippled and broke and actually can’t physically do much, and I spent the last decade + warning everyone that somewhere like this was where we were headed if we didn’t collectively pull our heads out of assess…
…but I entirely do not expect any sympathy or special consideration from any other country or its residents.
We had everything.
And it wasn’t enough, we threw it away in for greed, overconfidence, and frankly just a lot of racism, hatred and ignorance, wanting to just really truly feel superior to … some other kind or group of people.
We are a contemptible nation of idiot narcissist hypocrites.
Pariahs, a single generation after largely being viewed as heros.
Its truly pathetic.
You should watch “century of self” by Adam Curtis. It’s on YouTube and other sites.
Even when things were “good” it wasn’t honest or genuine. It was still just “the game” owned by evil.
Oh I’ve been rewatching that whole series, at least once a year, for around a decade now.
Same with the original Cosmos, a few other kind of similar gems.
Those were the kinds of things I tried, and failed, to inform other people of, why they were important.
Vast majority of people didn’t care, told me I was overworrying and being catastrophic or conspiratorial.
…
Anyway, your user name.
God?
God was a dream a good government.
He fulfilled the innate social desire of humans to judge, and be judged. Without some way of fulfilling that desire, the cohesion of human groups is impossible.
God is a dream of order and purpose.
– paraphrased/bastardized from the prototype AI Morpheus, Deus Ex, 2001.
We weren’t any better societally with a collective agreement on God, from the history I’ve seen at least.
It’s a fantastic scene in deus ex, though.
We will indeed soon have our new God, and we are indeed building it with our own hands.
What was it, a week ago, Joe Rogan is seriously positing the idea that… if Jesus came back, he’d come back as an AI?
The tech C suites clearly are already members of the AI-God cult, get ready for that kinda thing to get more and more common amongst us proles.
Cults tend proliferate in times of great change, hardship, and uncertainty, and quite literally, any half charismatic wacko can just make one up.
400M people distributed over an insanely large landmass with low population density and sky-high levels of income inequality preventing ease of travel to DC. Also representation is incredibly distorted depending on state of residence and direct citizen influence at the national level is nonexistent.
Nope. I’m doing my part. The general public isn’t personally hurting enough to take action. People are generally selfish when it comes to caring, if they have food, shelter, relative safety, etc. then they don’t care about anything else. All of that is starting to go away, which is why we’re seeing more and more actively protesting, but it’s still not enough. It’s growing though.
Also it’s not 7 people enforcing it, it’s 7 people making the decision in the first place. The State has a monopoly on violence, and they use it to prevent the People from doing anything about their decisions. That’s why democracy was such an amazing invention, since it allowed non-violent decision changes.
If you stand by and let bad things happen you are also a bad person
We should have thrown ourselves in front of the army to stop this I guess
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Until you happen to live in an area where maga garbage outnumber you 100-1. Then you’re the one feeling unsafe leaving your home every day.
ok baby boy, keep up your keyboard warrior skills
No, it’s all Americans that pay tax. You can’t even fuck with that fact. We made this possible.
No, it’s ‘we’.
Voting is important.
I’m from Denmark, and I think it’s just a matter of time before it’s Greenland in the news.
Unfortunately, as an American, I think that is an accurate prediction.
And even just the cost of it…To take Greenland by force would easily run into the hundreds of billions of dollars, likely trillions. Greenland has a population of 56,000 people. You could cut every resident of Greenland a check for $10 million USD, and that would cost $560 billion. Would the citizens of Greenland agree to become part of the US, if we acknowledged all existing property and indigenous land rights, and we cut every Greenlander a check for $10 million USD? Maybe we even offer to waive the normal state population requirements and admit them to the Union directly as a state, skipping the territory stage? There’s precedent. We did that when the Republic of Texas became the State of Texas. That would actually be far, far cheaper than trying to do it by force. And in the end you get a new territory with all its infrastructure intact, not destroyed in the conflict or by sabotage. Oh, and you know, there’s that whole “no one has to die” thing.
Would the Greenlanders take this offer? Maybe, maybe not. But honestly, long before any military force was used…even if you completely ignore the legality and morality of the whole thing…these are the types of offers you should be considering before trying to take Greenland by force. If you simply must have Greenland as a US territory, and you really believe that, the rational and only moral thing to do would be to at least start making offers like this. But that’s not what you see. The only offer of any direct payments to residents I’ve seen proposed was like a paltry $10k. If you’re trying to buy someone’s country out from under them, at least have the dignity to make a fair offer!
Giving people money is not how this works.
Giving companies money is the game.
A Trump never pays his debts.
Trump isn’t giving you a single $0.01(USD).
Trump is going to try to take Greenland by force, for Free.
“Trump can invade us, as long as he pinky promises to pay!” is wiiiild.
I don’t know about Greenland, but as a Canadian, there’s no amount of money you can give me to get me to be peacefully conquered. I would rather be killed by the USA military than join the USA.
Does Greenland have large oil reserves? Venezuela is about installing an American friendly/puppet regime, so that American oil companies can take control of the oil.
It’s one of the most mineral rich areas of the world, massive amounts of rare earth minerals, gold, silver, gemstones, all sorts of stuff.
It’s just stuck under a thick glacier, for now.
That’s easily solvable if you’re a cartoonishly evil supervillain, you just bomb the ice sheets!
No, but he wants it and, as it would seem, he thinks the world is his playground so he can take what he wants.
5 damn centimetres… we were that close.
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There was no need to stage an assassination attempt, come on now. Popular vote doesn’t elect Presidents!
Do you think Sandy Hook was a false flag, also?
behaving like putin, almost if hes getting advice fom him.
Americans behave like Americans
Libs: “What are we, a bunch of Russians?”
Greenland is going to be very important as climate change continues to take hold and new shipping lanes are opened.
they have alot of rare earths, which is why trump wants it, but its mostly inaccessible, and dangerous because it does not allow easy mining.
At the start of 2025 I would’ve said you’re being ridiculous.
Amazing how much a year can change things.
Makes me sick just thinking about it. I genuinely hope Denmark prepares to wage a guerilla campaign against invaders in Greenland if needed.
Denmark will be alone if that happens. Europeans are pathetic slaves of America and israel.
Stay safe OP, you and your family.
I hope this “special operation” results in blowback specifically for Trump himself.
All sovereign countries deserve independence and freedom from invasion.
all the propaganda out on reddit, defending him, “oh because hes a dictator he needs to be removed”. plus Republican venuzuleans are celebrating it though/.
lets not forget its a distraction from the epstein files, plus Smiths testinomy recently too.
Sorry you’re all scared. That’s awful. I’m in the US wondering when we marginalized folks in the LGBT community are getting sent to concentration camps. People are scared here too. Sorry they are awful people. I assume protest will flare up in US this week. Already had one in my home town today from what I hear. Solidarity…
As an American, we may hate him more than you do right now. I’m sorry this is happening, the oligarchs just want Venezuela’s largest crude oil reserve because greedy corporations (ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhilips, Halliburton, etc.) want more control over a dying planet. America has done this to Latin American countries 12 times in the last ~100 years, and went to war for 30+ years in the Middle East for oil too, so this is nothing new from an imperialism perspective.
As an American, we may hate him more than you do right now.
You hate him more than people literally fearing for their lives because of his actions? I am sorry, but I don’t believe you.
Yeah I personally am not fearing for my life (yet) due to him enacting violence in my city (yet). Actually that’s kind of not true with ICE, but yeah I agree it’s not quite the same, and citizens of Caracas are suffering more right now.
However, there’s a longer history that US citizens have had to deal with, and we hate him. Hundreds of thousands or millions of people cut off from food, medicine, housing. Millions of job losses due to his corruption with Musk. There’s about 700 other things that we’ve personally dealt with. But yeah, in this exact moment, we haven’t had our city bombed and our leader abducted (yet), so acutely OP dislikes America maybe more.
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That’s not true. The US returned him to power.
If they hated him as much as you claim he wouldn’t have even ran the second time because you’d have done something about it. Certainly he wouldn’t have won.
Nope, you don’t all hate him. Furthermore you as a nation are responsible for his actions.
Who said “we all”?
It’s about 31% who voted for him, about 35% that didn’t vote at all, and the rest that voted for someone else. There are extreme gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement efforts in place, and straight up rigging in some cases, so it’s not even just a fair contest.
So by voter majority at the least you don’t hate him. Those who didn’t vote obviously don’t hate him enough.
But yeah once again we need to stop and think about US citizens while their country hurts someone else. Because they can’t get off their arse to vote.
There’s a reason people are tired of Americas shit.
They had an election where choices were “literally hitler, but orange” and “a woman who didn’t talk strong enough about palestine”.
And they chose Hitler.
it was mostly misogyny/.
Gerrymandering has no effect on presidential elections and bringing that up makes you look clueless.
its mostly done by extreme voter suppression by GOP controlled states, that where all the problems occur with voting. right wing propaganda is just icing on top to make it palatable.
Sure. But gerrymandering refers to redrawing congressional districts and has no effect on presidential elections.
You hate him more than people literally fearing for their lives because of his actions?
I personally am not their primary target yet, but this is the case for many American citizens and immigrants of any kind.
Of course, that is not the case for most Americans, but I’d wager there’s a huge overlap in “Americans on the fediverse” and “people likely to be close to the top of the out-groups list” Hell, my old highschool once made national news for a hate crime against an LGBT student. It’s a shit hole.
My point is, some of the people you are talking to here are likely also afraid for their lives.
Good point.
‘But stop and think about US citizens and their discomfort’
So do something.
It’s almost impossible to get the people of this country to do anything. Just 1 person is going to be sniped the second they even think to do anything. So far we’ve had a few try to fix this but they were caught or completely missed. The USA Is huge and it would take days for people on the west coast to get to the east coast where the important people are. Plus money, most of us are very poor and can’t even afford to travel that far. So we’re trying by protesting in our communities.
protesting in our communities
Nobody’s ever asked for more. Just be there. Block, obstruct, make your voice heard. Civil disobedience. Keep up the pressure. The punishment must follow their deeds at once, or they will never even consider toning down. Even if you cannot light up the powder keg, you can start 100 small fires. Metaphorically speaking.
We stand with you.That’s why it’s called the “ultimate sacrifice”. Right… After all I guess that American war saying was really no different than the idea the ayatollahs pushed.
sure are quite the keyboard warrior aren’t you? Maybe go outside for a bit and actually do something yourself.
Thanks I appreciate your feedback.
People on the west coast don’t have to travel to the east coast though
You want to quit being coy and say what you’re asking people to do?
We are.
No, you aren’t.
You most certainly are not.
lol ok
I can at the state level, and I have along with my fellow Californians. We can’t do anything to change DC for the foreseeable future.
- 2022 - Russia’s special operation in Ukraine
- 2026 - USA’s special operation in Venezuela
- 2030? - China’s special operation in Taiwan?
- USA special operation in Venezuela
- USA special operation in Yemen
- USA special operation in Libya
- USA special operation in Iraq
- USA special operation in Afghanistan
- USA special operation in Somalia
- USA special operation in Honduras
- USA special operation in Haiti
- USA special operation in Yugoslavia
- USA special operation in Palestine
- USA special operation in Syria
1946-???
Wait Haiti, 1915-???
Certainly not exhaustive. Special ops are only one component of regime change!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America
These are all things that happened post 2000.
I always forget Yugoslavia legally existed until 2006. But wasn’t the depleted uranium bombing in 1999? Or do you mean Milosivec in 2000?
Won’t be nearly that long.
Bet on it.
You folks realize if China takes Taiwan, then the US is extremely fucked. They are going to get oil in Venezuela when we really need lithium and semiconductors. What a stupid move!
We have domestic sources of both in the US. This has been a long development process for a compromise between the US and China. However, TSMC is reliant on ASML for photolithography tech, so there is a two part effective monopoly in that supply chain, controlled by the Netherlands and Taiwan (and by proxy whoever influences the market destinations for that equipment). China could take Taiwan, but it would essentially only be capturing what would at that point be old tech.
And TSMC is rigged for scuttling, China would get rubble if the invasion isn’t near instant
Are you saying because the new tech requires the multi laser interference to create parts smaller than the UV wave length? I’m a bit out of the loop in photolithography developments for the last 10 years.
If you’re a living dinosaur whose best pedo-buddies own oil companies and you don’t know anything about those pesky computers, this will seems like the best move you’ve ever made.
Don’t forget that trump totally saved the chip industry in USA, for realsies, so there’s nothing that Taiwan does that 'murica doesn’t do better anyway!!!
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They’ll have to invade Taiwan while agent Orange is still on his throne, to be confident that the US will allow it. A few overvalued property purchases should do it.
The US doesn’t exactly have the capacity to stop China from taking an island like 200 miles off their coast. They have been designing their entire military around this exact conflict for 75 years and have an entire branch if their military dedicated to missiles.
We do have the capacity to make it more expensive to invade than to simple peacefully reunify at an indeterminate time in the future, when the US is hopelessly behind and the PRC can offer an infinitely better deal (so good you can’t refuse).
The only way the equation changes is if “eventual” peaceful reunification is ever off the table, or there’s political instability that might cause the prc to be welcomed.
And he won’t be on his throne in 2030 because… because what exactly?
Hopefully he dies before the end of this term
…ide be happy with the end of the day if that’s at all possible
2028
Special Operation III
I’m really sorry for you all over there. Even more sorry for I truely fear the rest of the world will only say “Mr. President, sir, was this really a good idea?” and then accept any responce he gives.
I hope you know that Americans didn’t want this either. The world is praying for you.
Part of the usonians didn’t want this. A non-irrelevant part actively voted for this, and another non-irrelevant part couldn’t care enough to vote so indirectly allowed this.
Your country voted for this and keeps these people in office. This is YOU.
The US has so many fucking guns that your kids have active shooter drills in kindergarten. If you didn’t want this you would stop it.
Our country gerrymanders districts, purges voters, and makes last minute changes to voting id requirements and then allows groups of people to question the validity of your ballot and have it thrown out so it doesn’t count. Our elections have not been the voice of the people for a long time, but the will of a party willing to sacrifice democracy to stay in power.
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No country that isn’t fucking deranged holds random citizens accountable for the actions of a president they may not have even voted for, wtf are you even talking about.
How many iraqi and afghan civilians paid the price for how America felt about their leaders? How many Venezuelans?
You need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that it’s MOSTLY innocent civilians that pay the price for this shit, your just used to being the ones doing it.
The USA is screwing the whole world extremely hard. Many countries that didn’t have a say in the US elections are now being happily fucked by Mango Hitler.
Don’t expect those countries to be happy with any american person they see. Is it unfair? Absolutely? But the only ones responsible for what’s happening are the Usonians, either by having voted for him or by not stopping him.
Yeah I have no illusions about people being dicks to random Americans they encounter, that’s how people work. But that’s not what “you can expect to be personally held accountable for your actions the second you leave your borders.” means. That sounds like they’re expecting the fucking ICC to swoop in and arrest people for not burning shit down and trying to kill politicians, which is fucknut crazy.
No, I’m expecting Americans to get curb stomped when they walk into the wrong neighborhood.
My mother was adopted, and her non-biological grandmother was a holocaust survivor.
I was always confused by how much she hated all Germans and German immigrants, regardless of age, or if their family had immigrated before the war. Most of them surely didn’t support the nazi party in any way, and the vast majority I knew of were born after 1950.
I understand the mindset a little better now, I think. Unfortunately in this instance, I’m the German that didn’t support the nazi party and wanted to get out of Germany in the 30s. But I get why any Jewish person would hate me.
Then do something about it
Do you understand that we are under a repressive regime?
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Especially from month old accounts… not suspicious at all!
This is what bothers me the most about random folks, usually from an EU country, telling Americans we should just oust our shithead president through national strikes or violence and complain that we aren’t doing anything. The US is huge, what works in smaller European countries is vastly more difficult and expensive to organize and execute in the US. Those tactics do work here, but mostly at the local and state level which is akin to how they work in most EU countries when you adjust for population and size. At this level there is just not much an individual or small group can do. Even if my entire city and the surrounding area rose up together (which it wouldn’t since it’s politically mixed) it would have little to no impact. A million or two people just isn’t that much in a nation as large and diverse as the US. The entirety of California or Texas couldn’t appreciably move the needle in all reality and they are massive, wealthy states.
The same reason EU citizens haven’t been able to band together to fully and consistently leverage the combined power of their continent on the world stage is why Americans haven’t been able to effectively organize and execute effective federal power changes.
I think it would be a fantastic idea for Europeans, and the rest of the world, to start actually considering what a violent, imperialist US means to their normal day-to-day and how they can best prepare to defend against it. I, and all those I choose to surround myself with, hate what our government is doing. We voted against it, give money and time to causes against it and to try to reduce harm where we can and help those impacted by it. Many of us would leave if we had the means to, but the reality is that leaving has its own risks, is surprisingly difficult and expensive, doesn’t guarantee where we end up will ultimately be better, and removes our ability to do anything here. Like most of life, reality is complex and messy, I just wish everyone could keep that in mind when condemning all Americans for the actions our government is taking.
In short, I am not my country, and while I fully accept that the world hates the US right now (and they should), personally hating every individual American and blaming us as specifically responsible is ignorant and inflammatory. It doesn’t help and just serves to depress and discourage action by those of us who do not support the actions of our government.
I said this on Reddit and will say here as well.
As an European, I have nothing against Americans as individuals that like us, are shocked and troubled to what is happening with your current Administration.
And generalising that all Americans should mobilise and fight against their government is not as straightforward as many people here think.
Like us, you guys have families, kids and pets that want to stay united and protect what is most important for you: your family.
But I do have issues with your government and those who support it.
I don’t trust your government, people that support it, your tech infrastructure or any company that aligns with this whole mess.
And that’s why I’m migrating everything to Europe. From cloud, to tech, to operating systems, to socials.
That’s why I just created my Lemmy account, and considering deleting Reddit.
I’m still stuck with Apple’s ecosystem, but will find a way to break free.
I’m a software developer and will start developing apps that will serve me and potentially others, but will be based in Europe and will not depend on others that in any moment can cut off the access just because…
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That is quite literally not what I am saying, I’m saying that the real world is complex and not as easy as “Americans are fat and lazy and stupid and won’t do anything about their fascist imperialist federal regime that a sizable portion of the country apparently supported”.
What would you have the average American do that lives nowhere close to DC, needs a job to eat and have shelter, and likely lives somewhere where at least some portion of their neighbors support Trump and his cronies? Like if you have a real solution I’d love to hear it because just noting the a lot of Americans have guns isn’t helpful (which isn’t everyone for what it’s worth, not sure if you’ve been here but it’s not like folks walk around fully armed everywhere).
The US general strike movement estimates over 10.5 million people need to strike to have an effect, in a year they’ve gotten less than half a million to sign a strike card. Organizing over 10 million people is crazy difficult. We would need nearly the entire population of Sweden or Portugal, it’s more than the entire population of Greece or Austria. And that’s just 3.5% of the US population. My entire point is that it’s easy to sit behind a keyboard and blame Americans when you’re entire experience is a European country that needs to organize an opposition of maybe 2 million people, likely less than a million. The reality that Americans actually face is at least and order of magnitude more difficult. So blaming individuals as though all of us support what is happening and are to blame shows a lack of understanding. Many of us don’t like this any more than you do, and are doing what we can in our sphere of influence to change things, but it isn’t a simple situation to fix.
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Get to the streets, protest, make your voice heard. I would be out there if my country would do shit like this.
And yet there won’t be mass boycotts of gas stations, there won’t be General strikes, there won’t be 70 million Americans who claim to have voted against this out in the streets.
Oh yeah, prayers will do it
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Which military is patrolling? Asking bc information is not being shared correctly through mainstream channels. Does USA actually have control of the country?
La Fuerza Armada Nacional Bolivariana, our Army.
If I had seen US soldiers, I would have crashed out.
I saw that the TV stations are still broadcasting pro-Maduro stuff, I don’t think the US is actually in control in Venezuela.
Sounds like they just went in, bombed some stuff, grabbed Maduro, and left
I don’t really know though, only info I have is from reading the wikipedia page
That certainly is what it looks like at first glance. Trump has declared himself in charge but nothing on the ground has borne that out yet.
As a general rule if Trump says something then it isn’t true.
imo the US’ plan is: [1] destabilize Venezuela [2] “they are unstable and need intervention”
it sounds too obvious and stupid to be true; but I wouldn’t put it past this admin
It’s true. I’m reminded of that old Bill Hicks routine where he likened our Iraq policy to the movie “Shane.”
“Pick up the gun.” [shoots] “You all saw him! He had a gun.”
It sounds like it’s Venezuela’s military trying to stop people looting in their own country.
People can do stupid things when they panic.
I’m completely flabbergasted by our actions. Apologies aren’t enough to begin to address what we did, but I’m so sorry that my government has chosen to terrorize you and the people around you.
Yep the world doesn’t feel safer. I am far from being informed enough to have a proper opinion on Maduro, and I have big doubts about the opposition as well. However I totally disagree with USA taking over anywhere. Hope you guys manage to find a few good leaders to see you through this mess.
The big problem with this is who is next? the US always had the power to do this but now that its actually doing it with bogus madeup reasoning… Is Canada next? Greenland? Mexico? Costa Rica?
All heads of state who are either turning a blind eye or openly celebrating this should bear this in mind: if they do the slightest thing to annoy the United States, they are next, and no one will help them.
But who will help the USA…
They turned a blind eye in Gaza. That was the death of any pretext of international law which still existed after the “”“War on Terror”“”.
Noem is already meming with Greenland draped in a US flag and Trump said Gistavo Petro has to watch his ass
No love lost for Maduro, but then none for Trump, Putin and on and on… What’ a shit show the US is.
A war in Greenland doesn’t even make logistical sense. You would be fighting the only people that actually know how to deal with the cold.
All anyone would need to do is blow up the generators and it would be war over, because as far as I know the US military has not trained it’s soldiers and how to survive having all their blood frozen. They were expecting the next major conflict to be in the middle East, not inside the Arctic circle.
Give it a few years and it’ll be temperate there.
People I know who went to Afghanistan said the froze the balls off at night.
That"s what the military bases in Alaska are for.
Cuba and/or Colombia
Colombia is more vulnerable but it hasn’t developed a lobby like Venezuela and Cuba have.
Sheinbaum in Mexico and Lula in Brazil are later in the itinerary but they’re going to be more difficult. Especially Brazil now that Bolsonaro is in jail.
Argentina - done.
Venezuela - in progress.
Cuba, Colombia, Haiti.
Then Greenland gets militarized but not fully invaded. Mexico gets police actioned in the rural areas but not fully invaded.
Brazil is the prize.
The rainforests would be toxic wastelands within a few years.
Everybody knew the USA could do this. And everybody knows they can’t keep it for long.
Canada and Greenland are more like last. You don’t go that big that fast.
Stay safe and take care of your family ,
greetings from Belgium
