The legislation takes aim directly at trans individuals using the restroom or locker rooms, threatening those who “knowingly” and “willfully” enter facilities designated for the “opposite biological sex” with prison time. A first offense would count as a misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail. Those caught using the bathroom in repeated offenses, however, could be convicted as felons and face up to five years in prison.
It’ll be interesting to see how this aligns with the Full Faith and Credit clause for someone who updates their birth certificate from another state that allows for that then uses the bathroom that aligns with said certificate.
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Give the kid a rest, will ya? He’s already had it up to his neck in gun violence.
Honestly if there were a law where they had to, and it wasn’t a travel inconvenience, I’d support the bill.
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I know Idaho is bleak right now but there are many areas much more accepting than Idaho.
It’s hard but I strongly encourage moving somewhere more blue. As someone that lives in a blue stronghold the cults is much more accepting than these places.
Boise isn’t down for the count yet. Last year when the state started coming after Pride flags on government property the Mayor and City Council adopted the Pride flag as our city flag. The state legislature has been trying to figure out how to override that ever since. We ran the Hammerskins out of town when they tried to have a music festival, we’ve put MAGAt business owners out of business, we’ve got a lot of teachers and librarians operating malicious compliance to the anti-woke mandates, and I’ve seen more than a few bigots get their teeth knocked out and heads stomped. They might have taken over our state but they haven’t taken over our city.
Moscow Idaho is also still holding out for a bit longer. Lots of trans people going there as a stepping stone to get to Seattle, it’s got Inland Oasis running pride and drag events and doing a lot of work making queer spaces. It is currently being literally invaded by christo fascists so I worry it’s a matter of time but for now at least it’s still a decent place (especially compared to most other parts of Idaho though I know that bar is so low you’d need a shovel to find it). I wish Boise all the best in their resistance
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What the actual fucking fuck? Is it better to piss in the streets? Shit their pants on a crowded bus?
Ah, those will be felonies too. The point is to make it illegal to exist if you’re trans. And the point of that is cruelty, an insatiable need that Republicans have.
Our country sent a cruise missile into a school full of children last week.
They sent two or three missiles in the school. It was a double-tap strike meant to maximize casualties. Some reports say it was a triple-tap.
Are you a republican woman with broad shoulders, a big nose, or a square jaw. Congrats, the Karens are now going to ask the cops to look at your junk.
It’s true. Plenty of cis women have been harassed by men in women’s bathrooms because the man thought they were trans. How is that acceptable, but using the bathroom for its intended purpose is not?
That’s part of the point. Anybody who steps too far outside the “cultural norm” (read: that one look Republican women all have) will be weeded out of public life as well.
those were the kerens
Now the hot Karens are going to want to see what the MTG-look’s Karens are packing.
Honestly the fastest way to kill this would be to report everyone in as many locations for as long as possible, gum up the works until no one responds
We need seperate bathrooms for MAGA, I don’t feel comfortable sharing a bathroom with them as they are peeping toms and pedophile supporters.
pedophile supporters
You can reduce your character count by removing the unnecessary ‘upporters’.
Well, not all of them are. In particular, not all are sexual criminals.
But all of them see no problem with either.
We need a separate planet for MAGA.
I vote for Mercury or Venus.
Mm, still too close!
But Venus can take care of that. 400C and 60 atmospheres of pressure.
pedophile supporters.
G.O.P. - Guardians of Pedophiles
We allow our pet dogs to piss anywhere. Yet if you can’t find a “public” bathroom, or find some business to buy a pack of gum for 25c, in order to be a customer to use their restroom, and you piss in an alley around the corner, you face charges like indecent exposure. All because you had to do some very basic natural function but society had placed obstacles and then labels you a criminal. Yet somehow everyone is so goddamn concerned over which bathroom you use.
The U.S. constitution is so old that the writers didn’t see it being a problem (presumably) to not have an explicit right to bodily autonomy.
didn’t see it being a problem (presumably) to not have an explicit right to bodily autonomy.
I mean, the bulk of them did own other human beings as property…
So this is obviously stupid. I use the other gender bathroom when one bathroom is in use and I really have to go. Is that really something that should cause jail time? Really?
I have this nice blue piece of plastic that allows me to go in whichever bathroom I please under federal law in statesia, and bring a friend of any gender I choose. I am curious how that will work with Idaho’s law, and willing to risk a felony for it if someone will pay transport and coffee
What’s this blue piece of plastic that you possess?!
Probably a handicap placard.
yup!
I thought handicap placards were for parking cars. I never heard of someone using them to bring a friend into the other gender’s bathroom.
mostly that. it’s a quick “i’m disabled i get to do this thing” and using the handicapped stall in any bathroom is one of those things. the “friend” is supposed to be my caretaker, but y’know
Some gendered bathrooms are for one person at a time. I’ve never understood that…there’s not even a rapey trans boogeyman angle there.
I got the restrooms at a previous job changed to employee and customer instead of gendered. They were single occupancy already and my suggestion was passed unanimously by my coworkers.
The Republicans have distilled their hatred to be only for “biological sex” and included a specific exemption for that in the text of the bill.
I use a unisex bathroom in Austin that had urinals and stalls. I felt like such a badass when I kept my composition while making a peepee while three women passed behind me going in and out of the bathroom.
And when I went to wash my hands, no one looked at each other or said hi or anything. The way it should be in a bathroom. Quit talking to me while I’m trying to not pee on the floor, guys!
I cant wait for all the CIS conservatives who inevitably get arrested/genital inspected due to this law, and the inevitable crying of “It wasnt supposed to affect me, I feel so humiliated and attacked over this egregious invasion of my body” with zero self awareness or irony.
I’m scared of laws like this because I’m a cis woman and I have natural facial hair
Laws like this always put non-conservative-traditional women in the crosshairs. Moreso than trans people, despite specifically attacking trans people, simply due to how many more CIS people there are than trans.
The goal is far greater than that. Cis people, and especially cis women, are going to be deliberately caught up in this, not accidentally. Once the sheep have been convinced that trans people are irredeemably evil, watch as the definition of “trans” expands ever-outward. Are you a woman that wears pants? That sounds like cross-dressing to me. Oh, you want to work a job like engineering? Learn to appreciate your biological sex, you transgender freak! Stop pretending to be a man and get a career appropriate to your biological sex.
I cant wait for all the CIS conservatives who inevitably get arrested/genital inspected
The way these organizations operate, you tend to have coordinated groups of TERF brownshirts barging into public spaces and harassing strangers with the support of the church, the majority party, and law enforcement.
If a few Republican lay-voters get swept up in the dragnet, who cares? Idaho is one of the reddest states in the country. Nobody is going to shed a tear for the 6’ tall post-menopausal country mama who gets pepper sprayed by a crack team of transvestigators, because they’ll just relabel her as Far-Left when she objects to rough treatment.
The point of these pogroms is to juice up the partisan insiders and ready them for a wider conflict. A bit of friendly fire is a small price to pay for the libidinal joy of violently oppressing your neighbors, while getting tons of updoots on social media.
Only pedophiles would think about children’s dicks as much as Republicans do.
Right wingers are all such goddamn freaks I swear.
And snowflakes
Now what is going to happen when a post-op trans man, who fully looks like a man, complies with this law by going into a women’s bathroom?
He’ll still be arrested or at the least harassed, and that’s the point. The goal is to prevent trans people from using any public bathrooms.
Pee on the door to it.
Post op is still trans. These people don’t care.
The bill doesn’t say “use the correct restroom”. It says “people we don’t like can’t use any restroom”
That’s how the title is worded, but it’s the usual BS “you must use the one that matches your biological sex” thing.
Once, I was told by the manager of a place I was at that I had to use the women’s bathroom. A cis man followed me in and beat me, only stopping when a woman told him to get out. I was a minor at the time, 15 or 16. He was a grown ass adult. This was all the way back in 2012, I’m pretty sure. Never used public bathrooms again until I left the US last year.
So, I guess if you’re a trans man, your choices are to comply with the law and get beaten (even if you’re a child, since as we know, this is all to protect the kids after all) or to not comply and get fined/arrested.
It’s two shitty choices: Use the one that people seem to see you as and be terrified someone will challenge your right to be there the whole time, or go in the one that you clearly don’t look like and have your ID ready for anyone who challenges your right to be there. Dystopian police state BS!
They don’t care. That goes right back to the whole point of these types of bills, which is to criminalize being transgender.
He will be arrested, and the news will report that a “trans-identified biological male” was in the women’s restroom. Fascists don’t give a fuck about internal consistency.
Oooh! Oooh! I remember this one!
Next, businesses will have to create a separate restroom that says “TRANS ONLY” so things can be “separate but equal”…
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I would be weirdly fine with a trans bathroom as long as cis people genuinely can’t enter it… We would keep that shit immaculate and safe. Tiny little safe space with sinks and mirrors and toiletries and supportive allies anywhere you go.
Except now you have a situation where armed individuals who masturbate to the 2nd amendment will wait idly by the TRANS ONLY bathroom for someone to walk out of it, murder the person who walked out of it, and say they feared for their lives because they tried to “groom them”.
At least in that situation the Trans person/people could reasonably expect the business/establishment to be an ally. That’s assuming there is no law that says there has to be a Trans only bathroom, any place which installs one would probably only be doing that because they’re an ally or Trans themselves. Now what your describing happening to businesses/establishments which are supportive of Trans people I can totally see happening.
I mean, yes, obviously, I am all too aware of the larger safety issues and societal issues of “separate but equal”
No no, you see they want the trans women in the mens room so we’re easier to sexually harass and assault.
Do they include a definition of “biological sex”? And of how that’s going to be determined?
Of course not. They have no fucking clue what they’re talking about. They just want to hurt people
What about intersex people… can they go in both?
If it comes up in court, I guess they’ll be forced to specify if they’re defining biological sex by chromosomes, genitalia, or some other biological feature. Unfortunately, the law was made by people who are completely oblivious to the complexity of biological sex. This is why people shouldn’t be allowed to make laws without knowing the science if these things. Same thing with anti-abortion laws being made by people who don’t understand biology
Major in biology
Born with dick = Dude
Born with vag = girl
Not that hard…
Seemingly, you didn’t comprehend that this was an answer in the context of intersex. Reading and comprehension must not be one of your strengths.
Hermaphrodites exist.
So you’ve never heard of intersex people? Some people can be born with both
The people making this law have no idea that there are people who are biologically intersex and, if told, will dismiss it as irrelevant because they’re “a tiny minority”. Deaf people are also a small minority and it’s common practice to accommodate them. All people should be considered when making a law with the threat of jail time.
I think it’s even more than just people who would be classified as intersex
There are various markers for sex: DNA*, hormonal levels/profile, gonadal tissue, gametes, the shape of the genitals, and even the shape of the skeleton. Probably more that I’m just not bringing to mind right now
And it would be pretty unusual for any one individual to have all of those markers point unambiguously in one direction
So the first question is - if it’s going to be law that people have to be divided into two precise categories according to their biological sex, what marker is being used to determine which category they fit in
If pressed on this, transphobes often default to gametes, with a fudge to the effect that people who don’t produce gametes should be judged by what gametes they would produce if their reproductive systems were producing gametes
Okay, so, someone goes into one public toilet. Someone calls the police on them because they don’t think they’re a biological match. The police turn up…how are they going to determine what gametes that individual would produce if they produced gametes?
Because you can’t just select a marker and not have a test to determine who fits where, can you?
Which means, logically, what are we looking at? Genital inspections. Because that’s realisically the only test which can be administered
So does this law have an exception for children? Or are they enshrining in law that it’s okay for adults to force children to show them their genitals? To protect kids, of course. There’s no possible way that could have any negative consequences
But even that’s not the point, really, horrible and disgusting though it is. The point is that they don’t know and haven’t thought about what they actually mean when they use those terms, and they certainly haven’t thought about the actual consequences of the law
There’s basically two options - unthinking transphobia, or “I don’t actually care about this issue, but I’m making a big deal of it because I’m otherwise unelectable and if I can make people worried about ‘for the children!’ and paint the other side as paedophiles I might get elected again even by people who disagree with me on literally everything else”
And trans people suffer and are put in danger in the short-term, as do cis people who don’t fit into whatever narrow prejudices the general public have about gender expectations, and children of whatever sex/gender are put in danger in the slightly longer-term
*which in and of itself is a lot more complicated and nuanced than just X/Y
I was recently listening to a video of a call-in show where someone called in and made this argument that sex should be defined by what gametes they’re “supposed to” produce. Supposed by who? The host said that’s not science, that’s fortune telling. Someone in the comments said they were an intersex chimera (male and female twins fused together in the womb) so which sex were they “supposed to” be?
I am, as far as I know, a cisgender woman. Though I’ve never actually had my chromosomes tested. But I have facial hair, a secondary sex characteristic normally associated with men. If I don’t trim or shave regularly, I get a full beard. People who see me in public probably assume I’m trans. When I use public bathrooms, I fear being attacked because I’m mistaken for trans. Fortunately, that doesn’t seem to happen in my area. If I were in Idaho, would I now have to carry my birth certificate to prove I’m female? Would I have to have my genitals inspected? Would I have to go to court and prove I’m female?
The cruelty is and has always ever been the point.
