Me: There’s no way that’s true
Me, after web searching: Huh…
Context: They have a betting game called “Jogo do bicho” (Animal game, direct translation). Number 24 corresponds to deer, which is “veado” in portuguese - which is very similar to"viado", which is a slur for gay people persons.
I still doubt these candles are popular though.
Number 24 corresponds to deer, which is “veado” in portuguese - which is very similar to"viado", which is a slur for gay people persons.
The slur isn’t just similar to the name of the critter — it is the name of the critter. You also see people using “gazela” (gazelle), “Bambi” (that Disney critter), “biba saltitante” (jumping… “biba”, dunno what was supposed to be) as slurs for gay people, always under the “flamboyantly jumping” stereotype.
The reason it gets spelled with an “i” is that slurs and swearing often get misspelled in Portuguese. It’s the same deal with boceta→buceta (pussy), caralho→caraio→carai (dick), foder→fuder→fudê (to fuck).
Thanks for the explanation mate, that makes a lot more sense.
I’m portuguese and I always thought that veado was the word, just that “e” was “stressed” to sound like “i”. I didn’t know until today that there were actually two words
Some prescriptivists would argue “viado” isn’t an actual word, and that even the slur should be spelled “veado”. But just like “buceta” the misspelling has become way more popular than the original word.
It’s only the same if you ignore Portuguese pronunciation, though, this is still some rightwing snowflake shit. Veado and viado will only sound the same if you speak some ignorant, backwater version of Brazilian Portuguese, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
Viado e veado não soam igual, mano, esse é coisa de homens frágeis, eu não sei de que você tá falando. Deixe essa porra pros Bolsonaristas. Nem os tugas falam assim.
For people who might be tempted to trust the witch hunting liar above, check the transcriptions in Wiktionary for veado and viado. Both lists are incomplete but they already show, that what I’m saying is accurate, and that the user above is at the very least lying, if not worse (vomiting assumptions and re-eating their own vomit).
Also relevant to note I’m reporting words associated with prejudice. I’m not condoning their usage. The way I’m referring to gay people and their community ITT is consistently polite, even if I’m talking about a slur used to target those folks. Gay rights — much like trans rights — are human rights; rights depend on power, power depends on knowledge. That applies to slurs; one can only fight against prejudice if they know how it’s conveyed, and how words associated with prejudice pop up.
It’s only the same if you ignore Portuguese pronunciation
Viado e veado não soam igual, [viado and veado don’t sound the same]
Nem os tugas falam assim. [not even the Portuguese speak like this]Portuguese pronunciation varies a lot depending on the region. There isn’t a “single” one, like you’re implying; that’s fiction created by nationalists who believe languages should be homogeneous.
For “veado” you’ll see the [e] being raised to [i] or [j] in three situations:
- Caipira, Paulistano, Sulista, Mineiro, Gaúcho dialects; mostly due to pre-stressed vowel raising. Typically people doing so also say “bisoro” (besouro), “tisora” (tesoura), “minino” (menino), “durmi” (dormir) and similar, as it’s the same underlying change.
- Widespread across Portugal, but specially in the Centre and North. The fast prosody of unstressed syllables triggers diphthongisation, so you get something like ['jV] for more conservative [e.'V] and [i.'V].
- Speakers of many other dialects in fast speech. The underlying process is similar to the above.
You’re lying.
this is still some rightwing snowflake shit
No, it is not. Learn to read then stop being a liar / an assumer.
But you know, what’s rightwing shit? This:
Veado and viado will only sound the same if you speak some ignorant, backwater version of Brazilian Portuguese
You’re oozing linguistic prejudice, rooted in nationalism (the myth of homogeneous language), further mixed with classism (“backwater”). What you’re saying is the same as “my Reichsprache has a single pronunciation, everyone else is an ignorant degenerating it!”, it doesn’t get more disgusting than that.
so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
eu não sei de que você tá falando.If you don’t get what others say, you don’t get to label it either, unless you’re a disingenuous / assumptive piece of shit and deserve to be treated as such.
But the concept of honesty is a wee bit too complex for you, innit? Bloody hell.
Viado es veado. Fuck this
Even if it sounded different it wouldn’t make a difference, because language is flexible and undefined, or are we going to take classes on how to talk “e” or “i” as well? I’m certain we need more of those 🙄
100% isso.
Em especial, essa “flexibilidade” aparece bastante pras vogais átonas, variam muito de acordo com o dialeto e o ritmo da fala. E ao contrário da variação nas consoantes, as pessoas não prestam muita atenção nelas.
I’m fairly sure what happened with “viado” in PT was just like “nigga” in English. In both you get a non-standard spelling of another word (“veado” and “nigger”), representing a popular pronunciation of the word (note African American English is non-rhotic, so ⟨er⟩ and ⟨a⟩ would sound both /ə/). But they still sound the same in those popular variations.
Pior que acho que o outro ali nem fala português. Ao menos, não proficientemente. Reparou como ele confundiu “esse” com “isso”?
The linguist in me now feels the same way about Brazilian profanity that the engineer in me feels about fighter jets
It gets weirder with expletives. Like “puta merda” whore shit and “merda do caralho” shit from the dick. They don’t make sense at all, people simply chain whatever profanity they find to “express” their frustration. (And you can even combine them, as “puta merda do caralho” whore shit from the dick. Semantically it’s nuts.)
That’s not the reason though. 24 (vinte e quatro) is the gay number because it sounds like “vim de quatro” which means something like “I came on all 4s”
True
It’s a very popular joke. I have no idea how many people take it seriously, since those would probably not say they do.
I imagine most people that buy a candle like that do it for somebody else’s birthday to imply the other person is gay.
as a Brazillian, I have never seen the correlation of the number 24 with “gayness”
É literalmente uma idiotice que tem aqui em Salvador (Não sei se surgiu aqui), vinte e quatro / vim de quatro
It’s literally an idiocy that has here in Salvador (I don’t know if it came from here), twenty-four / I came from four
It’s probably more of a joke.
Straight men have a 23+1 hr schedule every day. The extra hour is for secret gay time.
Just going to say that looks way more gay than the number 24…
The more you try to avoid looking gay, the more gay you look. It’s funny coming from a place as gay as Brazil.
If you’re not gay, you must prove it by wearing a birthday tiara and listening to nothing but Judy Garland the whole day.
Science be damned but this may actually be the one thing that CAN turn someone gay.
Like just thinking about it makes me happy.
Can confirm, I was gay that year.
Aside from the homophobia, they still get birthday cakes with candles that say their age when they are 24?
Only if you are gay.
/s in case someone misses the “homophobic-phobic” joke.
What else should they get? Birthday cakes with candles that say someone else’s age? That wouldn’t make any sense.
are you kidding? gran was a party animal. if she got them why wouldn’t I?
Don’t put the word anus after it then!
I was going to say, if Portuguese is like Spanish, it’s “anus” without the tilde over the n, right?
Portuguese doesn’t really have a tilde, but that’s what the h following an n (or an L) is there to indicate
It does have a tilde but it’s mostly used over vowels, to represent nasalisation; e.g.
- ⟨mão⟩ /mãw/ [mɜ̃ʊ̯̃] “hand” vs. ⟨mau⟩ /maw/ [mäʊ̯] “bad”
- ⟨mãe⟩ /mãj/ [mɜ̃ɪ̯̃] “mother”
- ⟨limões⟩ /li’mõjs/ [li.'mõɪ̯̃s] “lemons”
- ⟨vã⟩ /vã/ [vɜ̃] “vain” (F)
For /ɲ/ (the phoneme written “ñ” in Spanish) it’s as you said, though: it’s spelled “nh” instead.
For that pair of words (ES año vs. PT ano) this works, but note the correspondence gets really messy, it depends on the etymology of the word. A quick run-down would be:
Origin Spanish Portuguese Example Late Latin */nj/ /ɲ/ ⟨ñ⟩ /ɲ/ ⟨nh⟩ Latin balneum → baneum → *banjʊ̃ → ES baño, PT banho “bath” Latin /gn/ [ŋn] /ɲ/ ⟨ñ⟩ /ɲ/ ⟨nh⟩ can’t recall an example both kept, but Latin agnum → PT anho /ɲ/ “lamb” (archaic) Latin /n:/ /ɲ/ ⟨ñ⟩ /n/ ⟨n⟩ Latin annum → ES año, PT ano “year” Then for Latin intervocalic /n/ Spanish simply keeps it. Portuguese initially converts it into vowel nasalisation, but then changes it further on, it’s a bit messy:
- corōnam /n/ → ES corona /n/, PT corõa /Ṽ/→coroa Ø “crown”
- pīnum /n/ → ES pino /n/, PT pĩo /Ṽ/→pinho /ɲ/ “pine”
- manum /n/ → ES mano /n/, PT mão /Ṽ/ “hand”
For ES “ano” anus and PT “ânus” anus this doesn’t work, though. Portuguese didn’t inherit the word, but reborrowed it. And perhaps to avoid making it sound like “ano” (year), kept the Latin nominative ending. (If the word was inherited it would end as *ão or something like this.)
They didn’t though. Anos = years. Ânus = anus.
Can someone share some lore what is the connection between being gay and 24 in Brazil?
I shared it ITT, but basically:
There’s that stereotype of gay people being flamboyant, and often hopping in excitement. That created a bunch of associations between hopping animals and gay people; e.g. “gazela” (gazelle), “bicha saltitante” (jumping/hopping beast), but specially “veado” (deer). Often spelled as “viado”.
And there’s a gambling lottery called “jogo do bicho” (critters’ game, or animals’ game). Illegal but extremely popular, to the point some knowledge of the game is part of the popular culture. It associates 25 animals with numbers, and #24 is “veado” / deer.
So: if 24 is veado, and veado is gay, then 24 is gay. Plop it into a macho culture, much like in the rest of Latin America, and you’ll see people avoiding the number. Even for their birthdays.
Nowadays it’s mostly a joke; but frankly I don’t like it, it still treats gay people negatively, as if “gay” was “to be avoided”. Roughly in the same level as “we did
$thingbut no homo!” in English, you know?
Having candles on your birthday cakes at all is pretty gay at that age
You don’t have candles on your birthday cake just because you’re grown up? What a sad life.
No homo, but I love to blow a big candle on my b-day.
I’ve never seen a sentence use the same dumb logic it criticizes so succinctly before
It is an most joyful occasion for gaiety…
It’s a joke
Yep thanks, picked up on that, so was my reply. Whoosh, I guess.
If they are worried about seeming gay, why are they decorating their cake with 23+1 sparkly magic Spanish anuses? Seems preeeetty gay…
For those confused, in Portuguese (which they speak in Brazil), “ano” is year. But in Spanish “año” is year, and “ano” is anus. Also the blue seems speckled or glittery (unclear in the picture) and it says in the corner that it has a magic wick.
That’s part of the joke. This isn’t really taken seriously here, you’d probably buy this for your friend to tease him in a friendly manner.
Seems like a joke.
(in Portuguese) what kind of cake do you want for your birthday?
IDGAF just don’t write “24” on it
ok… Happy birthday, enjoy your 23+1 anuses, you [insert homophobic slur here]
Doesn’t that say magico, not mango?
You’re right. I didnt zoom in enough apparently. I’ve corrected my mistake. Says “com pavio magico”, meaning “with magic wick”. Not helping the case honestly.
So if you want to look extra gay, your candle says 24+/-x to get your age.
TIL my birthday is gay
Every birthday can be gay if you’re gay enough
That’s pretty gay
Yeah sounds pretty gay (derogatory) to care that much about being seen as gay (celebratory)
I am ashamed to be a member of a race that cannot have a floor 13 in a building in some countries, or a floor 4 (or floor with the number 4) in others just because of an outdated superstition.
But this somehow feels even dumber.
This is not taken seriously, it’s a joke. You would only buy a candle like this to joke with your friends. I’ve never even seen a candle like that. No one actually thinks a number is gay, you just joke about it when it comes up.
Source: I’m Brazilian.
Is it because of Jeff Gordon? Is that why 24 is gay?
No, it’s because of an old betting game called “jogo do bicho” (critters’ game):
Check #24. “Veado” (deer), often misspelled “viado”, is used as a slur for gay people.
A friend of mine one introduced his girlfriend to a Colombian friend. He was quite surprised.
He name was Marieke, he heard maricon (pronounced quite similar) that’s a Latin slur for gay too.
Thanks for filling in the etymology!
At best, it sounds vaguely like marica, which is another common slur, but just like my reply ti some dumbass claiming veado and viado are the same in Portuguese, you would have to have some sort of developmental disorder to think Marieke and marica sound the same, or completely ignore Spanish orthography.
you would have to have some sort of developmental disorder
Comparing dialectal variation with developmental disorder? That’s xenophobia and ableism in a single stroke, it’s as filthy and disgusting as the nationalism and classism you parroted in your earlier comment. You’re a bigot and deserve to be treated as such.
And you’re still spreading misinformation. Yes, both words sound the same in a lot of pronunciations. No amount of you lying will magically change this.
Oh deer
I looked it up, and allegedly it comes from a well known gambling game about animals, in which 24 is a deer, and “deer” sounds similar to a slur.
Until I’m corrected I’m gonna assume this is why
I don’t know if it’s the same in Portuguese, but in Spanish, “anos” (without the ñ) means anuses. So… 23 + 1 anuses. Sounds pretty gay.
Years = anos; anus = ânus. They’re spelled different. Depending on dialect they may or may not sound the same.
