Calling the boiling point of water simply “warm” is a bit sus.
It’s a warm sauna.
Yeah, 100°C is pretty warm
yup, i take baths in 100C regularly bc its warm :3
Well if sauna is considered a bath then yes
The sauna you’re in is 100°C? 212°F? I think you might be dead bro.
“Dry” sauna rather than steam sauna. 100C at 100% humidity would very quickly be dangerous.
Lmao bless your heart
That’s hard-boiled (for eggs)
came to.comment this. lol
100 warm
Yeah, I suppose that’s one way to describe 100°C
“It’s a bit warm today.”
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On a cosmic scale 100C is practically freezing.
Boiling warm is still warm
0 C being the temperature water freezes is useful for knowing if there is ice outside, which has practical use. If we keep going the way we are, soon 100 will be an indicator that there is no water outside. Practical if you’re a hydrophobe or hydrophile.
Soon it won’t matter anyways. Isn’t AmericaUS like…done now? We can move on with our normal shit and chuckle at it like a museum piece.
Ah yes Americaus
C is even more intuitive than the graphic.
0 = water’s frozen 100 = water’s boiling
I had an American explain “well you just know that 68 is long sleeve warm, 80 is shorts” or something, as if people cannot memorize that 18 is chilly and 21/22 is usual room temperature, 26 is shorts.
The only thing I dislike like about Celsius is that my thermostat supports both, but doesn’t allow half degrees Celsius, so it provides less granular control in Celsius than if you set it to Fahrenheit.
I’m in Québec, -10 is chilly, 14 is shorts :)
I was about to say, in Denmark i definitely have shorts on in the teens, else I’d barely need to own any
Same in Alberta -10 maybe put on a jacket, 14 grab the beers and fire up the BBQ it’s patio time
oui, toujours :)
As you approach 0°F it is getting dangerously cold. As you approach 100°F it’s getting dangerously hot. Celsius is obviously better scientifically, but fahrenheit is pretty reasonable for everyday use (unlike other imperial measurements).
Really my point is you can memorize new numbers when you look at the weather report.
When I go (went ) to the US it was not obvious to me looking at the weather in Fahrenheit what it would feel like.
Of course. I’m just adding that there is some logic to fahrenheit in day to day use.
Yeah, you just remember 0/20/40 °C close enough to 30/70/100 °F is freezing/good/heat stroke.
Copium is real
0°F is way colder than 100°F is hot.
There are hardly any population centers that reach the lower temperature while there’s a shitton of them that reach the hotter one. That should say enough about how dangerous and inhospitable each is.
That’s not true. NYC frequently reaches 0°F and is home to 15 million people. All of northern US, and all of Canada frequently reach 0°F. It’s a fact than anything below 0°F is actively dangerous and anything above 100°F is actively dangerous.
Anything below 10°F is actively dangerous. Anything above 110°F is actively dangerous.
NYC barely ever reaches 0°F according to this site:
https://www.extremeweatherwatch.com/cities/new-york/lowest-temperatures-by-year
Seriously, NYC is closer to having regular 100°F weather than 0°F and it is in the Northern US!
In other terms: -18°C is extremely fucking cold, 38°C is just regular hot.
I grew up in Rochester NY, and there are many days with a zero or subzero windchill. Once it gets below 0°F, it is definitely actively dangerous. I’ve waited for a school bus in 7 to 10°F weather without issues.
Most metric units are designed around water in some way. Very easy to convert to different units because of this. 1mL of water is equal to 1g of water which is equal to 1 cubic cm of water, for example.
and it takes 1 calorie to heat 1g of water by 1°C, so with your daily recommended food intake of 2000kcal you could heat 2000l of water by 1°C or raise 20l of water from 0°C to 100°C.
Also a normal person can rides the bike between 0W and 100W comfortably, while trained people peak at around 1000W for short sprints.
And weight also revolves around water. 1L of water is 1KG which is 1000cm3 whereas 1cm3 is 1g. Super easy to calculate things.
Edit: correction
I once heard an American say something “weighs as much as a 2 liter bottle” and it made me raise an eyebrow.
*cm³
*at sea level, assuming pure water
It’s intuitive with respect to water. Applying it to anything else is exactly the same as the Fahrenheit scale: you associate various things with numbers.
As a European living in the US now for many years the temperature scale is the least of my annoyances. It’s easy enough to memorize be ranges for what to wear. Fahrenheit is more granular, which is nice sometimes but really doesn’t matter.
No, let’s convert all the ridiculous weight/volume measures first. Having two kinds of ounces makes no sense. Measuring solids by volume (mostly) doesn’t make sense. Having different units for different magnitudes doesn’t make sense.
Fortunately things are often labeled in both metric and customary units so I can convert way easier.
Now if you’ll excuse me I’m going to have my 12 fluid ounces of coffee and a 1/3 cup of oatmeal.
I very much prefer to cook/bake/prep in metric grams.
2c white flour, sifted.
1c brown sugar, packed.
1c room temperature water.
2tsp active dry yeast.
2tbsp vegetable oil.
1/2tsp baking powder.
2 egg yolks.
5 egg whites.
Pinch of cinnamon.Fuck you. Tell me how many grams that is. I don’t need five different tools to measure out my ingredients. I need a wet bowl, a dry bowl, and a scale.
Also this isn’t a real recipe I just started naming shit at random.
A pinch 😆
I’ve had to translate recipes from Norwegian to American and this struggle is real. Never thought I’d need to look up material density tables for cooking.
“To American” … what?
We have kitchen scales, we know how to weigh ingredients.
Old recipes in English often use volume measurements, across the pond too.
Modern recipes use weights when possible.
Idk why you’d convert to
ye olde style.I accidentally a word. Converting recipes from Norwegian and metric to American and US customary units.
I’m aware. I have a scale, too. But most people didn’t weigh dry ingredients. So when I translate for someone else I have to use the “normal” measures they’re used to. For myself, I speak the language and just use metric, my scale, and a measuring cup with both markings.
You made cake btw.
You gotta do the cooking by the book.
Having the more granular temperature seems more practical. I often find myself adjusting my thermostat by just a single degree F. Do heating/ac thermostats in Europe use half degrees as increments? Even then I don’t think it’s as granular. But just integer values would be super annoying.
Half a C is actually quite close to a whole F in delta. I don’t have a thermostat though.
I have not seen any thermostats in Europe with decimal degrees. But I also don’t think a thermostat is necessarily accurate to that level anyway.
I have always wondered why electronic thermostats use 0.5°C increments and the answer seems to be Fahrenheit compatibility.
Thanks for confirming they exist. I have never seen one that precise.
lol you don’t think it’s accurate to a degree Fahrenheit? Why wouldn’t it be?
Because it’s mass produced consumer goods operating on a “below x temperature turn on heat/turn off AC” and “above y temperature turn off heat/turn on AC”. Old ones are just bimetallic strips where you change the trigger position with a slider, and modern ones use commodity grade temperature sensors, and neither is guaranteed to be placed particularly far from the vent.
The sensor is typically on the thermostat. Not at the vents. You would typically place the sensor in a central location in the house. A high quality multi speed motor AC is designed to keep a decently consistent temperature which is a bit more complex than just turn on / turn off. If you’re dropping $15k to $30k on central AC, they aren’t going to cheap out on a poor quality temp sensor.
It’s just not that fine tuned of an instrument. The furnace also runs on intervals so it’s just going to naturally fluctuate a bit. Like with anything “it depends”, but I doubt it’s possible to keep the room within a tenth of a centigrade just with a consumer level thermostat. Maybe in a small room with resistive heating? I’d love to see actual measurements of this.
Thermostats are not exactly calibrated machines unless you spend for a high end model. Put a few next to each other and they might differ 1°C, 2°F. Worse if you take the really cheap stuff.
The ones in the UK go by half a degree.
If they’d just standardized on one unit per measurement and apply si prefixes it’s still an imperial unit but easier to work with. Say a quart for volume, and a yard for distance, because they’re close to liter and meter. But I guess a kiloyard and a deciquart is taking it too far.
Yeah I think at that point it would be easier to just go metric.
Most Americans actually seem to be five with metric and probably would not mind it too much if we just switched. The objections are basically: 1) it’s too expensive to switch now (okay), or 2) it’s part of our identity (doubt). I swear to God everything is a culture war with some people.
More rational people, especially in STEM where it’s already the standard, prefer it.
In general though, I would argue that Americans know metric better then Europeans know US customary, for what that’s worth
It’s mostly about what you’re used to. Americans buy soda in liters, run 5km and do drugs by the gram. But we buy gasoline and milk in gallons and our recipes call for flour by volume. It’s mostly inertia. At the end of the day you have to communicate with people around you so you use units they understand.
Saying its too expensive to change is bullshit. Metric is common enough that most people who care about units at all end up having one set of tools for each system so they can use both as needed. This includes industry and machinists. It wouldn’t actually cost anything to change at this point we could just stop designing new things in imperial units and in a couple decades we would barely need imperial tools anymore, except to work on old stuff. Some engineers are just as pig headed as anyone though, so they just keep using imperial even though they know both, use both, and still run into problems with imperial.
But you don’t switch in one go, so costs can be spread out over years. First you would do double labeling, roll that out slowly, and with time the customary units slowly fades out.
Sure, I get that, and we already have dual labeling on a lot of stuff, maybe even most of the stuff. The problem there is that nobody actually reads the other labeling, so they are also not learning.
They need to go back to what they were doing before: First decide that we’re moving over so that mandates can be enforced.
Second, do what you were saying, and do dual labeling during the transition–but make metric most the prominent.
Third, educate kids in schools to use it (this already happens to a degree).
Fourth, launch massive informational campaigns to teach people how and why to use metric.
Fifth, step down the dual labeling gradually as more people are comfortable with the new units.
I expect there to be a long tail of non-metric units in use (see UK), but if we can switch more things over that is still an improvement. Heck, I’ll even take them just decimalizing and removing some smaller units (like lbs/oz).
The history of metrication in the US is as frustrating as it is an interesting read. It can certainly be done and many countries have shown it can be done, but it takes commitment and support from the highest levels.
I know it’s all based on what’s familiar, but I imagine I’d have a hard time converting to Celsius for a weather report. I’ve lived in tropical climates in the US for over half my life so when people say things like “it’s a hot 30 degrees out there!” it just short-circuits my brain.
If accuracy is not critical you can use some simple tricks to convert between them.
30C is roughly…2 x 30 + 32 = 92F which is only 6 degrees off the actual value which is 86F.
Measuring solids by volume (mostly) doesn’t make sense.
This could be apocryphal, but I seem to recall hearing that a lot of American recipes got established during times of westward expansion, and that it made more sense for people moving out to the frontier to carry a measuring cup and a set of spoons that it did for them to carry a carefully-calibrated scale.
Yeah that makes sense. And in a pinch (no pun intended), measuring your solids by volume or even just eyeballing it is good enough for a lot of cooking (baking is a different matter).
But let’s not forget that Europe was not always metric, either. They went through the same process. They had the same units (or similar units) as US has now, with a lot of the same quirks. That was the entire point of the metric system: have one consistent set of units. United States was onboard early for metrication, but backed out before it completed it, so here we are.
It’s funny because all of the imperial units are mathematically based on metric anyway.
I’m an American, so I started with imperial units, but I am making the very slow progression of converting to metric. I already use metric for work, and it’s already the scientific standard here and has been since the 70s. It’s just turbo annoying to try and get used to a new measuring system that I use reflexively especially when surrounded by imperial units. Makes it too easy to trip up and fall back.
different units for different magnitudes
I’m not sure I get what you mean? Are you saying how we use ounces for tiny weights, pounds for “human”-ish weights, and tons for huge weights?
I think they mean ounces, cups, quarts, gallons, with no intuitive sense of conversion between them. I personally use ounces for almost everything (cocktail recipes are in 0.25 ounce increments, big cups are 40 ounces, big ol buckets can be 256 ounces). I might mess with gallons for very large amounts, but anything that can be expressed in cups or pints I’m usually just talking ounces anyway.
Your assumption is correct. I meant using cups, ounces, etc separately or in combination. Especially annoying when trying to figure out portions. Serving size: 8oz, package size: 1lb 4 oz. You have to do math every time.
My water does not describe 100°C as “warm”
People who say 100°C is warm make my blood boil.
I had to look it up, TIL blood boils at the same temp as water
As a woman I also only take 100ºC showers
Any hotter wouldn’t be a shower anymore, would it?
Supercriticality has entered the chat.
*For some definition of warm
There was something I read once upon a time that was like:
F is how hot/cold people are C is how hot/cold water is K is how hot/cold matter is
I feel like that’s pretty accurate.
The one thing that bothers me about the metric system is how much of it is never actually used. No one says “1 megameter”, for example. They say “1,000 kilometers”. When you think about it, most metric prefixes are never used with most metric units.
I think I never saw using Deca- and deci- in real life
Deciliters are used in cooking
We use decimetres in chemistry a fair bit. 1 mole of any gas will occupy 24 dm³ at rtp
thats just liters
Lo be unto the metric users, that the units of length and volume conveniently sync up!
How many cubic inches is a gallon btw?
decigrams are quite common in cooking/trading food
Similarly, how the kilogram is the SI unit for weight, not the gram.
I’ve thought that was weird too. Decimeter’s seems like a good unit for measuring a person’s height, for instance.
It’s because metric sucks at anything on a human scale and most people deal with things on a human scale. Imperial was developed over hundreds of years to be extremely narrow and scope in a specific two things at a human scale.
It’s a big reason why imperial makes far more sense. If you actually need to talk about anything on a human scale, everything no matter how nonsensical makes sense the moment, it’s explained because it’s all extremely intuitive.
While metric is basically a tiny fraction of a technically Superior system that basically makes no f****** sense in 99% of cases for a day-to-day life.
Try metric is the measurement of science, engineering and other fields of study because they actually do with things outside of day-to-day human scope
As the saying goes, use the right tool for the right job and only a dumb f*** uses the wrong tool for the wrong job
Could you give an example of a situation where metric makes less sense than imperial? I will then explain to you that it only appears to you like that, because those are the units you’ve lived your whole life using. Without that baggage, the adaptability and easy conversions make SI-units objectively superior in every situation.
Hell naw…what do you mean human scale, my foot is probably smaller than yours
Don’t get me started with thumbs…
Found the US-American. Go vote Trump or whatever it is y’all do over there lol.
I have no idea what you’re talking about… humans are around 1-2m tall, weigh about 40-80kg, have a body temperature of about 37 C, and need to drink a couple litres of water per day. How are these units not the proper order of magnitude for measuring things “on a human scale”?
In my opinion, Fahrenheit is a much better system for weather. Anything below 0°F and above 100°F is actively dangerous for a person to exist in. Anything in between is just normal weather. For anything scientific, I think K makes more sense than C. To me, C is actually only rarely useful.
Edit, because people seem to be offended by the suggestion that the system they don’t use is more practical in a very specific context:
What you are used to is definitely best for you, but I’m talking about the general practicality and usefulness in specific contexts. C in the context of states of water makes sense, and is practical and useful. F in the context of weather makes sense, because 0 to 100 is just normal weather in places with four seasons. In the context of weather, it is both practical and useful. K is practical and useful in pretty much every scientific context. To say memorizing -17 to 38 vs memorizing 0 to 100 is the same is silly, because 0 and 100 are very meaningful to the human mind. Of course, what you are used to will be what your mind immediately goes to, it does not change the fact that 0°F to 100°F for weather is more understandable, 0°C to 100°C for freezing and boiling water is more understandable, and 0°K being truly no thermal energy with units the same size as C is better for scientific contexts.
In my opinion C and F are equally good for everyday use. Neither is better than the other. Although C is more “scientific” than F, it’s still a very much arbitrary scale at the end of the day. Knowing water freezes at 0C is not different at all than knowing it freezes at 32F for the purposes of knowing you might have ice on the road. Knowing 35C is hot weather is no different than 100F. The human mind can adapt to each of them just as easily as the other. Neither of them makes your life harder or easier than the other.
For normal weather, 0°F to 100°F is easier to understand than -17°C to 38°C. Just like 0°C for freezing water and 100°C for boiling water is easier to remember. It’s just how our brains work. We like nice round numbers. Plus, there’s a higher fidelity between 0 and 100 than between -17 and 38.
Easier to understand FOR YOU.
There is a reason only 3 countries is the whole world use the imperial system of measurement.
What is easier than “over 100 dangerous; under 0 dangerous”?
Below 0 ice, above 0 no ice
That goes in line with what I was saying. F makes sense for weather, and not much else. C makes sense for states of water, and not much else.
F is just random and some people are used to it, and then try to assign meaning to the random points. Why should the temperature of a horse have any relation with the weather?
It really makes no real difference for everyday use. The higher resolution of the scale is not relevant at all for deciding what to wear outside. It takes no time at all for your brain to adjust to either one of them. 38 becomes no different to you than a nice round 100.
What you are used to is definitely best for you, but I’m talking about the general practicality and usefulness in specific contexts. C in the context of states of water makes sense, and is practical and useful. F in the context of weather makes sense, because 0 to 100 is just normal weather in places with four seasons. In the context of weather, it is both practical and useful. K is practical and useful in pretty much every scientific context.
I mean it’s easier if you get used to using it. If you just use Celsius then it’s confusing and counterintuitive
If you think Imperial is a better system, you’re the perfect example of the American education system at work.
In case those were too many words…
You stupid.
I don’t think that freedom units are better, I think they’re more fun, and I like having a bit of whimsy in these trying times.
This. There is nothing more immersive in a story set in the past than old-timey measurements. I want my potions in drams, I want my house measured in paces, I want to know how many leagues the city is across. I want cubits and spans for construction and stones, pounds, and smelt for weights.
It makes the world more real, less sterile to have these human-centric measures.
The American education system taught us metric and was quite clear that’s the standard. I’m pretty sure it’s the only unit we used. It’s also the standard within our government, as I’m sure you’ve heard plenty of times in threads like this.
The thing that entrenches Imperial units in our culture is the familiarity from us steeping in it in everyday usage. And we are exposed to both there, too. It’s not about being stupid. It’s just about inertia, and that’s at least in part because the two systems do have their little trade-offs.
This always appears to come up from people who most likely are at least familiar with multiple languages. Why not just standardize on English? Did your education system just fail you? Was that too many words for you? (Obviously not. All intended rhetorically.)
I know US culture is struggling with a current of anti-intellectualism, but if you indulge in reducing nuanced topics to “America stupid”, you’re just watering the weeds in your own garden.
because celcius is about how aater feels, faranheit is about how you feel and kelvin is about how atoms feel
every “you” is subjective, water is not.
Water has different boiling and freezing temperatures depending on salinity, alcohol content, and atmospheric pressure.
The 0 is freezing 100 is boiling is a good rough estimate but it’s not a universal law.
and how many differences do people have? give me universal law on how cold or hot person feels.
Beyond 100F you have a fever.
I’m no proponent for the American system but that’s a decent point of reference.
0F though? No idea.
Water is not subjective? Interesting? So water will freeze exactly at 0 and boil at 100, and it won’t matter about say pressure? Or whats in the water, like say salt? And pretty sure I’ve seen videos and done it myself where you bring pure water below 0 and it doesn’t freeze. Suppose this video is just fake then? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nse-LUpVQu8
Seems water is a tad bit subjective. Like the rules for when it freezes and boils is… not exactly constant. I mean, they are, under ideal conditions on Earth. But… ya know, that sort of goes against the circlejerk…
i’m quite sure average person doesnt have to deal with pressure differences, salinity, distilled water and such daily to such extent it makes water bad reference point, at least considering how we are basically made from water and life here is based on water.
I feel like faranheit is trash.
The original Fahrenheit system was actually pretty clever. It set 0° at the temperature of brine and 96° at internal body temperature. That made marking a thermometer really easy. Like, ridiculously easy. 96 is divisible by two many times before reaching a decimal.
Because the freezing temperature of water was really close to 32°, the later Fahrenheit system set that as the lower temperature and 212° as the boiling point instead of using body temperature. That made marking a thermometer more difficult, and basically took away Fahrenheit’s only advantage. It was more consistent though. Now Fahrenheit is formally defined based on Kelvin.
Centigrade was originally marked as 100° at the freezing temperature, going down as temperature increases to 0° at the boiling temperature. Obviously that didn’t last long. The downside is that marking a Celsius thermometer depended on atmospheric pressure. Now Celsius is defined based on Kelvin by -273.15° being absolute zero and a degree corresponding to a very specific amount of heat energy increase.
So yeah, Fahrenheit hasn’t made any sense for many many years.
Metric time ❤️
Please also lets use the International fixed calendar where every month has exactly 28 days/4 weeks and the year has 13 months. Every 1st of the month is a sunday, every 2nd is a monday and so on, so you will always know which day it is by the number.
The leftover day is a dedicated new years day.
Sounds fun, now update every computer system simultaneously to a new date format.
time is stored as seconds since epoch anyways, the computer systems can easily survive by just converting to metric time when displaying. It’s the systems that cares about week/month that hates it
Would be nice to realign September, October, November, and December as the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th months respectively
“Sol” is a terrible month name, but the general idea is cool.
12 Month are better for dividing a year, which is often needed. I know it will never change, but I propose 12 30-day month and 5,25 extra days at the end of a year. Also 5-day weeks or 10 day weeks and every year starts with the same day.
Just treat the center month as summer break, then we are back to quarters.
How do you write the date for the “leftover” day? Like, thinking about dates in Excel.
You have your dates in excel? I usually go to a restaurant or the the club with them, but I guess the youngsters today date in excel.
Every other full spin it stops for 4h. There. We also get rid of DST because who can tell the time anymore?
