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Chanting ‘from the river to the sea’ would be criminalised under proposed state law
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Israeli people have as much right to exist as Palestinian people. So let’s not genocide the Palestinians, no matter how desperately Golda Meir claimed they’re not real. Israel has a right to exist =/= Israel has a right to slaughter a culture. It’s not fucking hard you cunts
It is really hard if you’re only able to see the world in binary choices, which seems to be a common root of issues around the world
Does human have right to exist? If yes, then those who identify themselves as Israeli and those who identify themselves as Palestinians have the right to exist.
However, including Israel as a state and government in this statement doesn’t make sense.
Its like someone going to another person house and take over a room then say I have the right to exist. Yes you have the right to exist but not the right to steal, and control the house. Now this state literally committing an ongoing genocide. So yes they state doesn’t have the right to exist.
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they do if they hadnt forcibly removed palestinians from the area since ww2.
Quite frankly, they don’t.
They were invited refuge, turned violent and annexed the region, and have continued to be violent bloodthirsty pigs ever since.
Israel has a right to exist =/= Israel has a right to slaughter a culture.
That’s the thing; under the UN charter, peoples have a right to exist, not states. Basically, what becomes of the region should be decided by the entire population living in it, but it seems like half of said population isn’t getting much of a voice.
People who are now Israelis have a right to exist, just like everybody else.
The nation of Israel has no right to exist, same as all other nations.
Funny how racialized politics, autoritarianist tendencies and even a certain view of nation states as more important than people, did not stop when NAZI Germany was defeated and are still very much alive and acted on in Germany - the symbols such as swasticas and goose-stepping aren’t displayed anymore but the fundational aspects of the NAZI view of the world, of the value of people and of the validity of the use of force to suppress ideas the powerful dislike, are still alive and well in Germany.
German government seems to be as shamelessly bribed and corrupt as Americas.
Fuck the speech police
Israel: a country so weak and pathetic it controls peoples speech.
The tought police will get you next
If Germans are serious about “never again”, it should apply to any genocidal force and/or ethnostate. Israel is both. It has no right to exist.
Yeah, it really looks like Germany has learned the wrong lesson from the Holocaust.
* proposed law, which likely won’t pass.
But, true enough, the proposition is insane.
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Supporting any Palestinian group in Germany in public will get you arrested
My auntie just visited and left 30 minutes ago. She participates basically in any Pro-Palestine protest in Frankfurt and vincinity. She was never arrested.
My father, who went to his last demonstrations some 45 years ago even participated in some Pro Palestine protests. He was not arrested.
My mother wrote to the government of Hesse like every other week to take down the Israel flag in front of the government seat, and, believe it or not, she was not arrested.
The climate around supporting Palestine in Germany is bad. Many people get arrested and that is wrong. But claims like “showing support for any Palestinian group will get you arrested” are not true (yet).
One of the big tests whether ‘free speech’ means something or whether Germany is a vassal state is still in the juidical system (obviously source in German). I hope once the constitutional court rules, it’ll be on the right side of history.
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‘not getting caught’ as in being in a protest accompanied by a lot of policemen? They don’t go to a dark alley and whisper “free Palestine” in order to not “get caught” 😅
There’s no law prohibiting to support Palestine. As you can see in the source I linked before. There are very controversial takes about what crosses the line. The famous “from the river to the sea” being one of it. People who are brought to court for that half go free, half get sentenced. That shows that even within “the system” it is very unclear. Thus, it’s about time to get a ruling by the highest court. I guess one day that will even go to the European Court, and I anticipate that it will rule in favor of free speech.
And guess who’s arrested and brutalized by the police? PoC, because the police is racist, and voicing support for Palestine gives them a reason - like “I heard those PoC say ‘death to all Jews’, so let’s beat them up. If they defend themselves we bring them to court for resistance, all my police buddies heard it as well”. But not because there’s some distinguished law against “supporting Palestine”.
Can’t speak for Germany but in the United Kingdom it’s Palestine Action that has been officially declared a terrorist organisation because they stormed an army base. That means it’s illegal to protest for Palestine Action, but you can still protest in support of Palestine.
Two wrongs don’t make one right, my fellow Germans!
And let me guess, the proposed law does not criminalize anyone saying “Between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty” (Likud’77) or denying Palestinians the right to self-determination (there is no such thing as a state’s right to exist under international law, contrary to the very real right to self-determination, enshrined in the UN Charter, that Germany is a signatory to).
These jewish-supremacist idiots are fuelling anti-Semitism, while propping up a genocidal apartheid regime.
A liberal democracy, apparently
Germany is going too far…
Too far right.
Too far right Yes, I’m sure the AFD will support this law.
There’s a weird thing with Europe where the far-right is less supportive of the fascist world empire (since they’re sovereigntists, while the fasicst world empire is supranational), while the center right and center left are all-in.
So called right to exist.
Okay Germany, but this time they might deserve some of the hate.
Albert Einstein’s letter to the NY Times was 100% correct about Israel and Palestine. Is the German government going to trash his name too?
You Europeans give Americans so much shit; This shit would NEVER happen in the US. We can say whatever the hell we want.
Rings a bit hollow when Europeans are being denied entry because we don’t like Trump and the president is trying to shut down independent media.
Yeah I give you that, our border laws are insane
Not only that, as an American citizen I can go to prison for existing in public. The immigration officers are a secret police that could detain me on the spot for my gender expression not matching my government ID, and my skin is the right shade of brown to receive their racial profiling.
I’m the type of American citizen who is on the front line for this shit, but when there is no one left to speak up for you, you’ll be next. They will take your right to vote by rigging elections and making the legislature irrelevant. They will throw you in jail for being a terrorist if you oppose fascism. They have shown open disregard for the Constitution at every juncture, and if you become a problem person, don’t expect it to save you.
This is not a distant problem, it is knocking at your door. You can’t claim America is “free” anymore. That era is over.
…we tend not to care about people who aren’t United States citizens.
Or US citizens who aren’t a certain color, or gender, for that matter.
Despite on what you might have read on Lemmy, most Americans aren’t overtly racist. Alot of people want to reduce immigration, but that is because 80-90% of our total population growth is the result of immigration.
… it’s not just about the impact it will inevitably have on our culture. As automation continues to take low income jobs, we will have a large surplus of unemployed lower class workers. There is a correlation between our low population density and our high standard of living.
The US considers that no foreigner is entitled to passage in the country unless the government wills it. They’ve been milking this concept pretty much recently. But a US citizen can have as many memes they want on politicians and are allowed to enter and leave freely.
Can absolutely guarantee that if we implemented a similar rule, Vance and co would pitch an absolute fit
“So far, no federal law has been adopted.”
The law talked about in the article has also not passed. It is a proposal.
You can say whatever you want, but have to live in fear, that some government thugs in unmarked vans snatch you from the street and let you vanish in detention camps. Idk.
But, true enough, this proposed law discussed here is going too far. Fingers crossed that it does not pass (and it likely won’t).
Your occupation government demanded Germans to outlaw this type of speech in the postwar constitution.
Is there anywhere that has free speech and a functional healthcare system?
