• greenMeanHoppinMachine@lemmy.world
    11·
    6 hours ago

    This thread is like Monty Python’s “Life of Brian”. Half the people here are the People’s Front of Judea and the other half are the Judean People’s Front.

    Or better yet, we’re like the Maya Pei Brigade arc from the first few episodes of season two of Star Wars Andor.

    Trump, Stephen Miller, Meloni, Orban, Farage, Weidel, Le Pen and the rest love watching us fight each other. It’s one of their most effective tactics.

    • Soulg@ani.socialEnglish
      3·
      5 hours ago

      So many Europeans in here clearly taking the rage bait yet acting like they’re still the high ground is so funny lol

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    23·
    16 hours ago

    If you really want to piss off Europeans all you gotta do is make the claim that the EU is subsurvient to US foreign policy demands which means they’ll throw away any of their beneficial policies or laws to retain good standing in the US hegemony, no matter how absurd or insane US leadership is.

    • damwab@lemmy.world
      2·
      5 hours ago

      That’s the funny thing, things are finally changing in that regard! Anti US-led policies and projects to disconnect ourselves from the nasty fingers that have led us astray for far too long :)

  • thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world
    2·
    16 hours ago

    My new favorite statistic is that more people die in Europe due to heat related deaths than people die of gun violence in the US per year.

    • seishikeido@lemmy.world
      14·
      14 hours ago

      Except for the fact that the US and EU count heatwave deaths differently, in the US, its checked if the person actually died because of a heatstroke. In the EU, a lot of other deaths which aren’t heatstrokes but are heat related are counted as heat death.

      • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.orgEnglish
        10·
        13 hours ago

        More precisely: for the US, they only checked if the “cause of death” field on the certificate mentions heat but EU statistics compare to a model of how many deaths would have occurred without a heatwave. Of course heat makes lots of indirect deadly circumastances more likely. We don’t have recent studies on heat deaths with similar methodology to compare both regions but at least the gun death statistics are more clear-cut.

        Also, this is a bit cynical but people who die to heat usually had preexisting conditions and were statistically likely to die in 10 years anyway. Meanwhile most gun deaths are young adults whose productive careers were cut short.

        • prole
          1·
          10 hours ago

          Yeah man if only we had ways to protect our most vulnerable from the unavoidable natural environmental danger of firearms.

          It’s really too bad that, like the heat, gun violence is just a part of nature and we just have to live with it.

        • Saryn@lemmy.world
          3·
          13 hours ago

          My friend, those stats don’t mean what you want them to mean. The narrative you are trying to sell is frankly ridiculous and criminally stupid. And dare I say - American

          • thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world
            5·
            13 hours ago

            How do you mean? That heat related deaths do not actually mean heat related deaths? People drowning in an overcrowded pool and kids left in hot cars are heat related. Just like a suicide by firearm is firearm related.

            But please, explain to my feeble American mind how heat related doesnt actually mean heat related.

            • Saryn@lemmy.world
              1·
              9 hours ago

              I shouldn’t have to explain it because it’s common sense.

              In fact, I’m willing to bet that if we were to change the focus of our comparison from apples and oranges (which is what comparing gun-related deaths in the US to heat-related deaths in European countries comes down to, not to mention the vast differences in data collection approaches across disciplines, countries, etc.) to another pair of equally uncomparable fruit but one that you are not so strongly predisposed to thinkinking a certain way about, you would have the same reaction as I. Chuckle a little bit.

              Why, you might ask? For the simple reason that comparing apples to oranges doesn’t make sense unless you’ve been predisposed for it to seem like it makes sense.

              And no, this is obviously not a uniquely American issue (I wish it were but it’s definitely universal for all of us chimps). It’s just that this specific comparison, absurd as it is, has a uniquely American flavour because it’s clearly meant to rationalize the exceptially high levels of gun violence in the US.

              And yes, “exceptional” is definitely the right word to describe gun violence in the US. You start to appreciate just how exceptional when you compare US numbers to literally any other wealthy nation. Now we’re comparing apples to apples and things start making a lot more sense, don’t you think?

  • Seth Taylor@lemmy.world
    14·
    1 day ago

    If it makes you feel any better, I want you back. Polanski of UK Greens wants out of NATO and into an EU-exclusive military alliance

    I want the US to go to rehab and then move back in with us. I’ll even make your favorite dish: string cheese

    • Gregers@lemmy.world
      2·
      5 hours ago

      Same. They need to do something about the educational system and the propaganda machines being run by billionaires when/if they get a sane government again. Otherwise this shit will just happen again

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      2·
      5 hours ago

      As an American, that’s basically what I want. I want us to change, reform, and learn to live as a valued member in a community of nations.

  • Photonic@lemmy.world
    86·
    2 days ago

    Calling other people’s opinions stupid is rich coming from the country that elected Donald Trump…

    Twice…

  • yesman@lemmy.world
    76·
    2 days ago

    Europeans should be self aware enough to recognize that the most devastating criticism of Trump are direct comparisons to historic European tyrants. And forget about Hitler or Mussolini. Donald Trump at his worst can’t even measure up to Leopold II.

        • Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          5 hours ago

          Idk if we can call first past the post, winner take all, electoral college, elections as comparable to most European elections. If anything, the US president is lawfully closer to a king than many modern democracies.

    • red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      66·
      2 days ago

      That is an insane argument. You are saying anybody whose country went through a genocidal dictator can’t criticize Trump because he’s not as bad yet? WTF?

      • Fredthefishlord
        4·
        5 hours ago

        Not that they shouldn’t criticize — but the shear pretentiousness to come in and pretend it could never happen in their countries, when it already had.

      • irate944@piefed.socialEnglish
        42·
        2 days ago

        Never mind that in those examples that they gave, none of them were elected like Trump was:

        • Hitler lost the election for president; but was later appointed as chancellor by the guy that won after political pressure;

        • Mussolini was appointed by the king after threats of paramilitary force;

        • Leopold II was a hereditary monarch

        Sorry US bros. I like you and I love you depending on the days. But just like the French will never live down the white flag meme, you will never live down that you elected a pedophile fascist TWICE.

        • Soulg@ani.socialEnglish
          3·
          5 hours ago

          I mean, I didn’t elect him. The other stupid people did.

          The problem with that argument, especially on Lemmy, is that… Well actually basically none of us voted for him, thus we didn’t elect him, he was just elected by the other people

          • whoxtank28@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            5 hours ago

            I would give them a pass to shit on the people here who loudly and prouly scream that they did not vote at all. Depending on the communities that you focus on, you may get the impression that every Amercan on lemmy did not vote, and just want to piss and cry that they did not get the candidate (or communist revolution) that they preferred. Am American and voted for Kamala, not because I actively wanted her, but because you have to be pretty far gone to not be able to see she would have been better on EVERY front, INCULDING PALESTINE!

    • blackbeans@lemmy.zip
      27·
      2 days ago

      Ah yes. A whataboutism will make everything right. Maybe we should have sent some smarter guys back in 1492

    • adam_y@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      2 days ago

      Right? Trump’s nothing but a Temu dictator that was actually elected into that position rather than a proper tyrant dictator.

      The US can’t even do despotism right.

    • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works
      21·
      2 days ago

      As a Brit I fucking hate the royal family and their soft power and their wealth, but I’d argue that Trump has more of both and is heading for more than a royal has had in a Western country in living memory.

      • gh0stcassette
        6·
        2 days ago

        Man’s not heading for anything but the grave lmao, have you seen him lately? 50/50 odds he dies of natural causes before the midterms, I bet they’ll try to weekend at Bernie’s him for at least a few days.

    • Sergio@piefed.socialEnglish
      15·
      2 days ago

      My preferred comparison is to Napoleon III. It’s not a perfect match, but provides a lot of comparisons: the attack on freedoms, the incompetent political appointees, the unwise foreign wars, the puffed-up overconfidence and the sheer mediocrity…

    • Seth Taylor@lemmy.world
      8·
      1 day ago

      Nah, tbh I was shitting my pants a year ago but most far-right parties have plateaued or reversed in the polls recently. I think we just might have too few morons to turn far-right. Juuuuuust might.

      • Tja@programming.dev
        13·
        1 day ago

        Well, US interference is so blatant and obnoxious that is actually counterproductive. Trump getting elected stopped a few far right movements, and others lost momentum.

        Paying 2000 people in St petersburg to shit post non stop about immigration, works. Sending vance to deliver a speech, doesn’t.

        • PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          1 day ago

          Or Elon Musk the basement dweller chud who is constantly shit posting on his pro pedo social media website and funding for far right parties in Europe certainly isn’t helping either.

      • Catoblepas
        73·
        2 days ago

        Innocent Europeans would NEVER do a fascism without a wicked Other forcing them to do it!

        • Seth Taylor@lemmy.world
          7·
          1 day ago

          Yea we did

          I swear to god the US is simply incapable of original ideas. Fascism? Stole it from us. Nuclear bombs? European scientists. Absolutely destroying native populations? Uhm, hello? WE literally did that. Like… that’s why you even exist today. You’re WELCOME /sarcasm

  • Sundray@lemmus.orgEnglish
    46·
    2 days ago

    I would never clap back a Europeans criticizing the USA. It would be impolite, and they’re usually right anyway. I’d love to move to the EU someday too; but it won’t happen because the only thing they hate more than USians are brown Muslims 😔.