The two progressive lawmakers have addressed massive crowds in solidly red states including Idaho and Utah in recent days, as party of the national Fighting Oligarchy Tour.
A survey taken by Harvard’s Center for American Political Studies and Harris between April 9-10 found that 72% of Democratic voters supported politicians like Sanders (I-Vt.) and Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), “who are calling on Democrats to adopt a more aggressive stance towards Trump and his administration and ‘fight harder’,” rather than leaders who are willing to “compromise” with President Donald Trump.
The actual question that 72% of Democrats support:
Do you support more Democrats like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who are calling on Democrats to adopt a more aggressive stance towards Trump and his administration and “fight harder”, or moderate Democrats who are willing to compromise on Trump issues important to their base?
The question is “do you want to fight Trump more” not “do you support AOC and Bernies progressive agenda”.
It’s interesting that they explicitly, rather than implicitly, chain compromise with Trump to the moderates, and fighting Trump to the progressives. Without that, that number might have even been higher. This reads to me like a solid condemnation of the moderates.
Also of the democratic party by a certain reading since Bernie is an independent and AOC is a Bernie plant hehe 72% would prefer more people outside the current party line.
The part Democrats are responding to is “fight Trump”.
Kamala didn’t lose by being “Too woke”, she lost by saying “Maybe the Right can have a little fascism, ya know, as a treat?”
This is why I want to see AOC as a candidate and NOT Harris. We need a candidate who is less, “reaching across the aisle” and more “boots on necks.”
America doesn’t have a good track record for young, popular, progressive presidents.
This is just wrong. Go look at what swayed voters. The fact is, she never broke from Biden.
- The border was a shit show.
- The stock market isn’t the economy. Egg prices matter (it’s ridiculous but true for voters, and yes, I know it was bird flu related)
- People trust R’s more when it comes to the economy
- Many voters see Democrats as intolerable over educated snobs… That’s how they address ‘the deplorables’.
- She ran on a platform that speaks TO DEMOCRATS and not the greater population.
Centrist is not evil, it’s necessary to win elections. How many maps do you need to see to figure out you need to win some red districts? Support the fringe but run on a platform that speaks to the middle. Or… keep doing what your doing and never hold more than a minor majority again.
People trust R’s more when it comes to the economy
I hate that you’re right about this. I just saw an article yesterday that human intelligence actually is declining, and this is some of the strongest evidence. We truly live in the dumbest timeline.
The GOP are already working out how to blame the incoming great depression on Biden
And just like in that survey which found that a huge number of Republicans blamed Obama for his response to Hurricane Katrina, the rubes will buy it.
Centrist is not evil, it’s necessary to win elections
Oh really? Who is president again? Who won the popular vote? Between Harris and Trump, which was more “centrist”?
Your logic is sound, but the model your working from is completely out of touch with how voters and elections work.
First of all, the left to right spectrum is just one dimension of voter preference. Another, and currently more dominant, dimension is populist to establishment. What Democrats call “centrist” is really “establishment”, and American voters hate the establishment.
Voters also like leaders with conviction. Centrist Democrats cave on everything. After four years of attacking Trump’s boarder policy, Democrats flipped almost entirely. After four years attacking Trump on LGBT rights, Democrats abandoned the issue entirely. Not only does that signal weakness to disengaged voters, it also destroys trust between the party and it’s base. The base might show up on election day, but they aren’t going to want to canvass or do all the other volunteer work that Democratic campaigns depend on.
My model is based on what won the last election.
- The border
- Prices at the grocery store. It’s ridiculous but it is what it is.
You make a good point. There are many factors at play, but if Democrats think centrist is establishment then we need to change that because your right, that won’t win anything
Your examples of caving… Attacking Trumps border policy - but… Biden was president?! And Democrats did nothing to fix the problem. Yes, border control is a problem. We needed a leader and got nothing.
LGBTQ rights. I’m sorry to have to say this, but that’s not going to win you an election. Democrats (and me personally) can continue to support LGBTQ rights, but you can’t make it one of your primary platform.
Look at it this way… You need a sales pitch for purple and red districts that speaks on their issues. And go there and sell it!
- Live and let live policies for the people
- Do a better job of advertising your successes fighting for workers rights and pay.
…and so on.
Hell, watch Fox news for a few hours a day, take a shower, then build your plan to beat the Republicans on their own turf.
The border
Both Biden and Obama before him deported far more undocumented aliens than Trump could manage. Biden completed more of Trump’s wall than Trump did. Family separations started under Obama and continued through Biden - with the caveat that people who go through the effort to understand it know that it was much worse under Trump because it was vindictive and intentional instead of being done on a limited bases to streamline cases.
The fact is that, no matter what the Democrats do or say, Republicans will always be seen as “tougher” on the border. They will always be willing to use more racist language and false narratives than Democrats. Trying to out-xenophobe Republicans is a losing fight for Democrats. What Democrats need is fewer xenophobes, and they don’t get that by running to the middle, or trying to ignore the issue. They get it by telling the truth boldly and consistently, and mocking ridiculous Republican talking points instead of playing into them.
Republicans don’t shape their policy to what polls tell them voters want, they shape what voters want through effective rhetoric, Democrats seem to think that voter opinions are immutable and that they need to find a well tuned platform to please more voters than they piss off until they get to 51% in each district. Republicans destroy them by constantly shifting the poles under Democrat’s feet.
Prices at the grocery store. It’s ridiculous but it is what it is.
This is part of the anti-incumbency global tidal wave narrative that Democrats have been using to explain away their loss. I don’t argue that it wasn’t a factor, but I think they owe us a better explanation. The guy they lost to was Trump. The race should never have been close enough for that to tip it over. The one glaring exception to that global phenomena was Mexico that had a very similar election with an aging left wing male president attempting to hand power to a much younger female protege, in opposition to a far right candidate. In their case the left candidate won, and they did it with a social-Democrat platform, not by running to the middle. This is in a country that is far more conservative than even the US, with a much more firmly established cultural patriarchy.
Yes, border control is a problem. We needed a leader and got nothing.
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. What we needed was immigration reform and a whole lot more judges to clear the backlog. The Democrats proposed a viable plan (far too right for me, but an understandable compromise to get Republicans on-board) and the Republicans rejected it to keep the issue alive for Trump. Then the Democrats assumed voters would see that and, what, stop being concerned about the border? All that did is send the message that electing Trump would get legislation passed because Biden couldn’t do it. The Democrats didn’t even try to convince anyone that the Republican plan was wrong-headed and would do far more harm than good. It was a disaster, and the kind of disaster that Democrats create for themselves on a regular basis.
LGBTQ rights. I’m sorry to have to say this, but that’s not going to win you an election.
The whole reason that the anti-woke movement gained so much traction is that Democrats have abandoned the issue or made compromises for years. I agree that standing for LGBTQ rights is not going to win elections, but giving up the high ground can certainly lose elections. Democratic (and corporate) tokenism also played a huge role in driving the anti-DEI narrative. Standing boldly and consistently for minority rights is politically a defensive strategy for Democrats. Democrats can’t win elections if they lose the culture wars. That just lets Republicans control the narrative.
You need a sales pitch for purple and red districts that speaks on their issues.
You spoke earlier on how Democrats are seen as “intolerable over educated snobs” and I agree, but I see this as a perfect example as to why. Democrats act like policy preferences are some kind of unalterable genetic feature of “some people” and those people must be pandered to. People in red districts are first and foremost people. Look at how Bernie talks to right wing audiences. He doesn’t cater even slightly to right wing ideology, but he does speak directly to their issues with an integrity that they are not used to seeing. And, it works. Bernie is consistently the most popular Democrat in red districts, not the centrists who pander.
Great response. We’re not far apart on why we are where we are. I really hope Dem leadership is considering major changes to address the beat down they got in Nov.
People shouldn’t trust R’s any further than they can throw then.
Anyway while I don’t agree that the border was a shit show, yes I do agree that Neo Liberals are snobs who fail to understand that no the stock market is NOT the economy.
You have some points but ultimately I find you misguided. After all Trump was about as centered as the leaning tower of Piza.
American economy depends on immigrants for many reasons. Migrant workers are vital for food production. Immigrants keep America’s birth rate at a healthy level. This is very important for the long term health of the economy. Native born are far more likely to commit crime than immigrants. This is a fact and lots of data supports it. Economy was vibrant and healthy until Trump came back to office. This year was supposed to be a growing economy. Now a few months after Trump returned, the economy is headed for recession, inflation will rise due to tariffs, and the stock market which holds all of our retirement assets plummeted. The economy has done its best under Democrats. Republicans are viewed as predominantly white Christian racists and bigots that want to take America back to the 1800s. They continue efforts to suppress voting to take advantage of the very undemocratic electoral college and Senate.
Centrist approach?
USA has a conservative Party and a Neonazi Party
Sounds about White.
Two old rich white men arguing over the proper way to do genocide against brown people. Then they both get upset when brown people stop buying their shitty products.
THEN FUCKING DO IT.
If the party “leaders” aren’t with it, kick them the fuck out.
I think that’s what’s going to happen. AOC is taking on Chuck Schumer:
Maybe if people show up to vote. The only poll that matters is in the voting booth.
Facts. It’s all for naught is people can’t get off their butts and vote.
Local voting is important too as is being engaged with local politics.
In these 18 states you don’t even have to get up. My ballots are mailed to me. I drop them off on my daily walk at a blue mailbox.
Theres no real taking on until they start calling for a new party
The problem is that the two parties are deeply entrenched and make it extremely difficult to launch third-party or independent challenges in many states. In some states, it may make sense to run as an independent or in a new party. In others, it may be better to challenge them in primarie. I think there may even be states where it makes sense to co-opt the Republican primaries to challenge a sitting centrist Democrat. Whatever the case, you’re under no obligation to remain in any party once you’re elected.
I want to abandon the centrist approach, period. No more reaching across the aisle, no more insider trading, no more letting capitalists dictate how society should be. America has given capitalism a nearly free hand to determine the nation’s destiny, and it has lead to death camps, fascism, and stolen the prosperity that workers had earned with their sweat.
It is time to try a completely different approach to economics and an overhauled Constitution.
I don’t want to hate on it, but it’s like we don’t respect the Constitution as it is anyways. And the origins of this country was rich landowners. So technically we’re all just kind of like livestock. I guess simply what I’m saying is we have to actually become a real country. And that will require kinetic input.
It should have been a living document. This is how you know these idiots are a death cult.
Earned with their blood*
Won’t happen. There’s long been a gap between what registered party members want and what those in charge actually do.
We saw the same thing in the UK a few years ago when Jeremy Corbyn got a huge swell of support from the party proper, but all the other Labour MPs collectively rounded on him and conspired to kick him out of the party altogether because he was going to put a stop to their gravy train.
They kicked him out after he led Labour to it’s biggest loss in ninety years.
tone-deaf about the tone-deaf
Abandon centrist approach and take a hard right turn? The Democratic Party hears you loud and clear! But seriously I do see the Sanders people in places of power I previously have not in the party - this is a very good sign in a very bad time
DNC: LOL no, but can you please send us just $20 this one time, before it’s too late!
Please, [wrong name], we need $5 to make Chuck Schumer wag his finger at the republicans for arresting all LGBT people
And then Cuck Schumer votes to send all LGBTQ+ folx to extermination camps
Strategically! Look, I know it’s not great, but we had to do it to avert a government shutdown, because that’s what Trump really wanted and we’re not gonna play his game!
it’s all about trump and nothing to do with ending the oligarchical regime that enables the genocide.
Bernie Sanders has been fighting oligarchy since before Trump and is Jewish and pro-Palestine.
Unfortunately MAGA runs every branch of the US government right now, so it’s impossible to do anything without taking on MAGA first.
Not only before trump, dudes been fighting for like the last 60 years or so
Been a Bernie bro since the 2016 election and haven’t ever stopped. He’s a treasure like Dolly Parton.
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Bernie is there to allow you to vent out your anger and usher you back in line with the corporate democrats.
This is serving far right conspiracy theory.
Dems are straight up too incompetent to use populist rhetoric. Like, if manipulating people was going to be the plan, fucking skip Bernie all together and just have Kamala do the populist speeches instead of Bernie. Or if Bernie was the inside puppet all along, why wouldn’t you just make Bernie the candidate.
I think Bernie is a genuine person (which the Dems mostly hate) who has done more to spread class consciousness and solidarity against billionaires than anyone in the current millennium, certainly more than you, hundreds of times over.
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Bernie can’t be the nominee because if he were to win and subsequently fail and not deliver - exactly what the democrats want and would ensure - they could not march him out to smother the anger again in the next election cycle.
For what purpose, because when they do this they lose anyway.
Your reasoning is just, “they can’t risk losing after they win, so they’re just going to lose in the first place instead”. “Democrats can’t risk losing their losing strategy”. Your reasoning is nonsensical.
Did you not realize that she actually doesn’t answer question but talks gobbledygook around them?
Kamala is very articulate and laid out some very specific details of plans. She pivoted to “politically correct” when it came to culturally contentious topics like trans rights, which I don’t love, but at least Walz stood on business on trans rights.
To say Kamala spoke “gobbledygook” is objectively false, right wing propoganda.
You verbatim speak like a right wing troll hyped up on low effort propoganda spreading horizontal hostility.
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Dems are too incompetent to…
Ah, there we go, right out the gate: the enemy is both strong and weak. The hallmark of paranoid imagination and conspiracism (hence why it’s also a component of fascism).
Bernie has been consistent in working for harm reduction alongside preaching good policy. There’s a reason they call him the amendment king: he can walk and chew gum, if you can believe it.
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“Context” says the guy bringing out-of-context (yet objectively correct) Bernie quotes, meant to paint him as some establishment shill. Especially now as he’s doing tours around the country to get people to rally against the fascist oligarchs and pass on the progressive mantle to someone younger, instead of I dunno staying home with his family because he’s old and should rest and enjoy his old years — it’s not like he’s running for president. He owes nothing to no one, he gains nothing from this, but he did it anyway because he saw that this is the best shot progressives will get to take hold of the Democratic Party, now that it’s weak and confused. And it’s working.
Bernie also put his literal flesh on the line for civil rights.
Bernie and AOC’s movement is literally called “Fighting Oligarchy”. Not “Fighting Trump”.
Yup. Trump may be king, but his crown has the puppet strings of Thiel and company attached. There is no point in getting rid of Trump, if he is replaced with a more capable Pinocchio.
Doesn’t matter what the people want, the democrat’s corporate masters make the decisions.
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Democrats won’t abandon their centrist positions as long as the Clintons live. If voters want a party to represent them, they need to get rid of the current ones.
72% of Democrats Want Party to Abandon Centrist Approach to Trump
Party: But who will help us become exponentially richer then?
Still getting bribery from AIPAC?
Billionaires don’t deserve a seat at the table.
We wouldn’t let any other group of 3000 people contort our entire society to their will.
