• ceenote@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Latino men… You know he fucking hates you, right? Or at least, the base he panders to does.

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    I’m a white man in a rural area in the south. Black folks who don’t really know me often seem surprised when they hear me say something anti-Trump. And honestly, I understand completely.

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      Do you have any insights on how that works? Is it just something rather gets passed down from parent to child? Because I would assume the education system would try to tilt everyone towards the Republican side there (I’m not from the US)

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        I have anecdotes, but no specific data or insights, I’m only speaking about my experience.

        In some respects, politics is a lot like religion. Just like most Christians were raised in Christian families and most Muslims were raised in Muslim families, it seems like most Republicans were raised in conservative families while most Democrats were raised in liberal families. Obviously this isn’t a 100% one-to-one correlation, and there’s a lot of nuance as well as a plethora of exceptions.

        As far as education, I only have my perspective of the school system I went to. Overall, I think that most of the teachers were very respectful and balanced whenever political ideology came up. As a kid I wouldn’t have noticed it, but by my teens I was pretty observant. There were definitely several notable exceptions, mostly conservative teachers showing bias and attempting to influence us, unprompted. I think the most “liberal” ideology I was exposed to was the one high school teacher who strongly advocated for LGBT folks, but that was generally in reaction to students’ homophobic actions or words. Overall, i would say that the education system pushed religious ideology more than political, but of course, it being the south, conservatism and Christianity are practically one in the same.

    • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      They failed and blamed BIPOC for their loss while white men and women are why Trump won. And I’m a white dude who voted for Harris.

      And then they claimed they support Black Lives Matter. Brown people matter if they win, they don’t care and will blame you if they lose.

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        Well, white people and apparently Latino men.

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    Really guys

    This is lemmy cmon, at least put in the effort to question the data source

    How many of you even had an option to fill in your race on your voter registration form? My state doesn’t even collect this info.

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    All I see is one of the dumbest nations on the planet and a clear indication that things will continue to decline regardless of whether Donald Trump is wasting oxygen or not.

    Dark future.

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      So technically it’s probably even redder across the board, although if I remember exit polling, black man are still blue.

      Still close tho, and very depressing.

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      9 months ago

      Thank you for providing a source and methodology!

      Without it, the original posted photo is simply reinforcing our existing biases.

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      Religious, macho, hatred of other-Latin (Mexicans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Domincans etc. have a lot of interrelational hatred), and I-got-mine-ing (pulling up the ladder once they got their citizenship).

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      In 1998 Clinton’s secretary of state stent a SWAT team in to the house of some Cuban immigrants to kidnap a child who’s mother died getting him out of Cuba but because his dad was still in Cuba they figured the best way to solve the problem involved point guns at people. Since that event Latinos have voted almost exclusively for Republicans.
      My only hope is if there is ever another election they will finally find someone else to hate more than Janet Reno.

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      I might have the wrong attribution, but I think it was Regan who said “Latino voters are Republicans who don’t know it yet.”

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    If you’re white and on the left its time you started infiltrating these conservative spaces. I do, and as soon as they see you are white all you have to do is ignore 1 racist comment and these people open all the folds for you. Its time to get dirty with the people spreading the dirt. The right wanted a revolution? They’ll get it.

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      If you’re white and on the left its time you started infiltrating these conservative spaces.

      I’ll pass

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        It’s not for everyone. The main reasons to ‘change sides’ so to speak is to simply get a vote in their primaries.

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          I get in there, once I’m trusted I talk about what they actually want from society, and then subtly make a pointed question if thats what the GOP is doing. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but I always get them to question things and thats the most important part.

          Soon it won’t be enough though.

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            Tried it; it doesn’t matter, in my experience. Conformity is way more important to these folks than they pretend, and once something like this starts getting traction, it gets labelled a thought crime and sealed away.

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              Did you actually build a relationship? Or just talk to someone in public? If you dont get to a first name basis its not gonna work. Its ass but, a lot of these people aren’t hate filled monsters. The wools been pulled over their eyes. There is no consensus reality anymore. Most people aren’t equipped to handle that. I’ve converted only eight people this way, but thats eight minds that have been rehabilitated to ask questions and seek multiple sources.

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      Believe me I have tried.

      They’re so scared of what they think is socialism, but what they describe is actually communism.

      They don’t know why either is bad, just that China has it and they don’t want it.

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        Yup, you back them into a logical corner which should cause critical thinking and doubt. Just turns into “what about this unrelated thing?” Five minutes into the discussion you realize you can’t convince them because they see politics as a team sport.

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      Buy guns, learn to use them safely and effectively, stock up on supplies to defend your family and community if the worst happens.

      You will inevitably interact with plenty of racists in that process.

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    White men I can understand (if not agree with). But come on Latinos, you should be fucking better than this.

    “Immigrants are poisoning the blood of America”

    “Yeah, ese. You tell 'em.”

    At least the ones in California appeared to know what was up.

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      I don’t live in the US but my country has also had a lot of immigration, invasions (true ones with armies, not mean ways to describe immigration), internal migrations from poorer parts of the country, you name it… Basically almost everyone is an immigrant in one way or another.

      Well, our version of the far right has a lot of support from first or second generation immigrants.

      One part of it is to pull the ladder up after ourselves and avoid others coming in and competing with us for the same jobs. Another part is that immigrants are on average poorer and angrier about the state of things, and for the populist far right, anger is fuel.

      But also, Populists are becoming increasingly good at blurring the lines and making certain people feel included in the “in group” at election time, even if they are going to kick them in the head as soon as the ballots close. Case in point, AfD in Germany being led by a gay woman with an immigrant partner, “Brothers of Italy” being led by a single mom… Usha Vance is not an isolated edge case, she seems to be part of a playbook, whether she knows it or not.

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      “Latino” is a white supremacist term. It’s a denial of ancestry from america, africa, etc. in favor of “latin” culture aka european. White supremacy needs new blood to survive in USA. That’s the whole point of “latino”. That’s why “latinos” are encouraged to think they’re “white”. Meanwhile “whiteness” is nothing more than an oppressive system of racist control.

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        As a European I don’t get it anyway. Spanish people are white, but apparently are “people of colour” in the US.

        I’m guessing it’s one of those “where you came from” things that Americans obsess over. Americans were even “racist” to the Italians and they’re pretty much the whitest country in Europe these days.

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          Up until the mid 20th century, a lot of Americans didn’t consider Catholic’s to be “white.”

          It was a really big deal when Irish Catholic John F Kennedy was elected president.

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          Whiteness is not an objective quality of people but a socially constructed category that expands or contracts depending on what is needed to maintain in group dominance.

          When the in group is weak, you’ll see more people being considered “white,” and when it is strong, the tests will get stricter (looking not only at skin color, for example, but at ancestry). It’s really just a question of how confident racists are that they have sufficient clout to exclude a particular group without undermining their exclusion of other groups.

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    In 2020 black males had 80 Biden - 20 Trump and black females 90 Biden - 10 Trump. I’m generally color blind but it’s hard not to see how american black culture is so much more attentive to contemporary issues and somehow pop culture managed to twist “woke” as a bad word. crazy.

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        Agreed but it is them who influence the pop culture.

        I’m getting quite old now it the anti woke progression was just wild to live through. Suddenly people started to realize that we have a lot of collective power and then everything turned around with anti-woke and anti-cancel-culture campaigns driven by afraid billionaires. I hope history doesn’t wash this away so I bare repeating.