Since my old vendor, VC, went on permanent hiatus I am looking for new ones. At this point I used Lena’s stuff, otokonoko and VC.
I prefer EEN but am open to anything injectable.
I thought looking through reddit, but this community needs some activity. So yeah. Share your recent experiences.
It’s looking kinda bleak for europe at the moment but there are still sellers in other parts of the world.
- I tried Hera recently but she refused to do a resend so keep in mind she might not uphold her guarantees.
- There’s estrapen which looks intriguing if you want to use an insulin pen.
- Open gate labs is good.
- Finally there’s otokonoko which has been reliable for years. I’ve bought gel from them before.
Estrapen doesn’t ship normal vials, just their insulin pen type apperatus and special vials for it. I did ask.
My shipment from otokonoko arrived first try, but it was sent more than two months after I ordered it (due to a courier pick up problem apparently).
Hello I ordered through Astrovial in December. Not sure they have stock right now. But worth checking out.
Apparently the trump administration is actively sabotaging sources of DIY all over the world by pressuring foreign governments to crack down on known suppliers. So there might be issues generally. My guess is that a lot of suppliers are going to move over to .onion sites to avoid this.
Estrapen and Lena (two vial minimum order usually) definitely ship to/within Europe (I have spoken to them about delivery options) and otokonoko has shipped to me very recently (despite living in one of the worst countries in Europe for customs). I’m not sure of others.
given the current, undergoing attack on DIY sources, and the fact this is a public forum, should we really be listing sources and suppliers here?
maybe given the current climate we should reconsider our opsec practices and move some things into private, secure channels?
The best we can do is switch this community to “local only”
But I feel like it would lock out a lot of people who need to know this stuff.
there are Matrix chats for this, too - but yeah, in general the problem with driving things underground is that it can make it harder for people who need access to care to get it … still, on the other hand, having everything open has also resulted in loss of access by leaving DIY providers vulnerable to political actors
edit: even just having a rule that sources aren’t publicly named, but sent by DM or something might help?
Matrix encryption is a joke - https://soatok.blog/2026/02/17/cryptographic-issues-in-matrixs-rust-library-vodozemac
And that’s before we get into the “security” of an encrypted chat room that anybody can join.
However https://www.privacyguides.org/en/pastebins/ an encrypted pastebin you send to people via DM would be useful?
Now I have to see if hrtcafe was archived anywhere…
not all Matrix spaces are open to anyone to join, and are we really going to say a private Matrix space with encryption is roughly equivalent to public cleartext on a forum?
(EDIT: It also looks like the encryption issues aren’t even relevant to the Matrix client I use.)
It just feels like there isn’t a shared concern here, am I right?
A lot of the concerns about matrix encryption are only relevant in big open rooms. In invite only chats it’s not an issue
