My favorite is the people who rail against GMOs. Bitch, every food you eat has been genetically modified by humans. Either by selective breeding over a long period of time, or what they used to do in the early 20th century: bomb seeds with radiation and see what came out, toss the weird stuff, keep the neat stuff.
Everything is GMO. What’s being done now is actually safer than before, because they actually know what they’re trying to create, and are far more surgical in the process.
GMOs aren’t dangerous because of the genetic manipulation. They’re dangerous because of everything around it. Now it’s possible to create vegetables that survive a centimetre of glyphosate coating. And if the farmers reuse seeds, they’re breaching copyright law. With this, plants are copyrightable, would you like all of the cancer of contemporary American IP law applied to your food?
this is actually such a big problem in tissue culture
no one should be able to copyright LIVING BEINGS
ironically copyright laws as they are today are cancer, maybe they should copyright copyright so that it all just eats itself and dies
in tissue culture this is considered a DICK MOVE
But then if you can’t copyright it companies wouldn’t invest money in it since it wouldn’t be profitable. That’s kinda the whole point of copyright, so that there’s an incentive for innovation. Why invest in R&D when you can just let your competitor do it and immediately steal it from then?
Copyright doesn’t create incentives for innovation it creates incentives for stagnation. It’s a guaranteed profit window for a static solution. Competition is what breeds innovation as you need to have the best product for its cost to capture market share. As copyright is inherently an anti-competitive practice only there to minimize risk it reduces innovation in favor of stable profits. Just because r&d costs money it doesnt mean that supply chains and production are handed to competitors for free. Its just a tool to minimize risk for venture capital because those who lobbied for it wanted to protect their assets from risk exposure and did so at the expense of consumers and innovation through lobbying. Removing it wouldnt stop people from creating solutions or trying to invent new products. Those who do the r & d always have a leg up as they have the research available to them for tweaking there process or final output that a competitor would not.
“steal it” you cannot steal knowledge
copyrighting living beings is bad
You’re not stealing knowledge, you’re stealing someone else’s time, effort and money. There’s a reason there’s IP laws everywhere.
What then do you suggest as the alternative? Or is your suggestion just to stop innovation?
free is good
“time effort and money”
im sorry but innovation will be sustained without copyright
no one is just gonna go “I cant make obscene amounts of money on this, better not do it at all” if they actually care about it
free is good only hurts the rich
“no ones gonna do it if they cant exploit it for money” - very serious business human
Yes, this is exactly what happens. Lone humans just can’t do much on their own, you need money to fund you, and money doesn’t fund anything that isn’t going to make them more money.
Copyright suffocate to death innovation by preventing people to use that technology and build on it, it’s just a dick move to make money.
Humans can innovate without shitright too, that’s what we have always done
Innovation is for making humanity greater, or at least it should bewhy would anyone buy from someone who just copied it instead of made it?
and money has ruined innovation
are you suggesting that we would just stop innovationn without copyright?
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But then the problem is not the GMO it’s the copyright laws
The Epa was the only way we got them to stop with DDT.
They keep ratcheting the poison further and further up to keep weeds out. They basically carpet bombed the South with ddt to kill off something and that killed off the birds and fishes and sucked up anyone that ate it for twenty years.
Which was a lot of the South, but now hunting is a rich mans privilege down here. Wheras only rich folk ate cattle with any frequency, now it’s pretty common food.
I’ve often thought that Monsanto was the only thing wrong with GMOs.
Monsanto
their buissness model with certainty.
Exactly right. Well said.
does anyone know how long the copyrights on seeds holds? i.e. i think for many pharmaceuticals it’s 20 years. does this apply here too?
The problems then aren’t GMOs but it’s the fact that someome can patent and copyright it, destroy the patent and copyright system not the GMOs
Yes
I think the argument against GMO (for me) isn’t so much the yields and other benefits, but rather the potential for single blight to wipe entire crops (did to the lack of variety, despite their claims to blight resilience) and the shady stuff that gmo companies do - sterilised seeds, patent wars, etc.
It’s already happened to bananas. That’s why banana candy tastes NOTHING like the bananas you can buy today, it tastes like the bananas that died out from a fungus.
It’s more that banana flavoring is a simple chemical (isoamyl acetate) that when tasted was kinda closer to bananas (and pears apparently) than anything else in their minds. Old bananas had more of it than modern ones, but it isn’t like it was ever a faithful recreation.
It’s similar to how some grapes taste more or less like methyl anthranilate, but the chemical itself really just distinctly tastes like artificial grape.
every food you eat
okay i was all ready to devil’s advocat you but you had to say FOOD. punk.
i was about to go eat, i don’t know, a car or something to prove you wrong. I haven’t had coffee yet i haven’t thought this through
Yeah ancestral plants that became many crops look almost nothing like their descendants in many cases
The funniest I think are secondary crops like oats and rye. Our forebears weren’t even trying to grow a better version of those, those started off as just weeds that people were trying to get rid of in their wheatfields. In the course of purging them they accidentally selected for more wheat-like plants that people would be less likely to rip out until they became actual decent crops on their own, while also maintaining hardiness in areas that wheat couldn’t handle such that they spun off and became popular on their own rights.
Yeah the discussion has to be clear. I’m not in love with splicing genes very unrelated to the destination organism and not seeing what the long-term effects are. Also splicing genes specifically to make crops more resistant to Roundup so we can kill everything but the crop even harder and be unconcerned of the wider environmental impact the pesticide has.
yeah GMO has a lot of potential. i think the scepticism was mostly because it was considered a new technology, but that’s years ago.
bomb seeds with radiation and see what came out
are far more surgical in the process.
…right…
If you can’t tell the difference between random mutation and targeted gene replacement, you DO NOT belong in this conversation.
Either educate yourself or STFU and let the adults talk
Educated genius alert!
Okay, this is a high quality shit-post.
I just found it. It’s an organic shitpost.
because its already expired
Assuming the designed food contains a lot of fiber, the shit itself will also be of high quality!
😉
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I said I’ve seen the same meme too many times and then I got ashamed of behaving like a redditor and deleted it :|
Bring it back
I thought Lemmy is just a knock-off Reddit, though… if there is really any difference between the two (especially in terms of user culture) I have yet to find it.
Ur right
forgotten
Cursed
The sad thing is - we COULD produce processed foods designed for our health. We just choose not to. The more its processed, the more room there is for profit margin improving adjustments.
(Meanwhile we evolved to eat not-ultraprocessed food so obviously that’s best for us.)
The sad thing is - we COULD produce processed foods designed for our health. We just choose not to.
Yes, mostly.
(Meanwhile we evolved to eat not-ultraprocessed food so obviously that’s best for us.)
Not how this works. Evolution cares about us procreating and spreading our genes, not living long healthy lives. Hence there being plenty animals that die after having children. “We evolved to” just means it won’t kill us quickly, not that it is healthy long term.
Should be whole food and not organic. You can process organic food how much you want. You can buy organic ultra-processed pure white beet sugar if you want. Doesn’t mean it’s healthy or chemically different than regular white sugar. Organic only applies to how it’s grown, not what happens to it after leaving the field.
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Jesus Christ, man. It’s a joke.
No, that’s not true.
Not true? In that some food is in fact not made of organic molecules?
For example:
Table Salt (NaCl)
Water (H2O)
No carbon, still food.
Nope not true
Ultra-processed was designed so you can’t stop eating it.
Doritos fucking nailed this. However, I can’t respect a man eating Doritos in public. Imagine if you lawyer showed up to your court case munching on a bag of Doritos. I wouldn’t trust them.
Imagine meeting your lawyer while he’s eating Doritos and then you shake hands with him
Gotta sneak a bit of that delicious finger dust.
Imagine if you lawyer showed up to your court case munching on a bag of Doritos. I wouldn’t trust them.
Jokes on you, that’s the lawyer I want.
Hyperprocessed foods are designed to sit on store shelves as long as possible, be addictive, and have just enough flavor to make you want more while at the same time being made of the cheapest possible ingredients, sometimes even including weird things like titanium dioxide.
Where do you get your fiber?
My ISP provided the fiber, they came and hooked it up and everything.
Does this keep you regular? I’ve been just as constipated as when I had cable but the lower latency and symmetrical upload are worth it.
What’s weird about titanium dioxide?
Too healthy
Do you normally add metallic powders directly to your food?
Every time you cook in a cast iron skillet.
Which is actually recommended as a source of dietary iron.
Not really the same thing.
Exactly the same thing.
I do… Usually I bond them with a deadly gas first though (salt).
It helps Kimi Antonelli drive too fast.
Sounds like they are made with health of the consumer in the forefront.
When you see a food decomposes, it’s going to do something similar in your gut. If you see that a food never seems to decompose, you can bet that’s not going to be great for your gut.
And fiber really needs to be recognized as the essential nutrient that it is.
And fiber really needs to be recognized as the essential nutrient that it is.
no processed food can beat the absolute genious design of the raspberry. easy to grab, clear information whether it’s ripe or not, visually appealing, tastes wonderful.
-“Visually appealing”
-Is just some plant balls
Pineapple has entered the chat.
“Bitch, I’m fruit on a pole! Yellow means go!”
Better not eat too much though, or it starts digesting you back!
Dissolves your fingerprints, or so says the urban legend
What about Cheetos?
In all seriousness, shortening “organically grown” to “organic” is quite stupid since all food is organic, but not all food is organically grown.
Now I’m wondering if anyone has ever labeled salt as organic.
The one thing likely not grown, nor carbon containing.
Why can’t we have human kibbles if they have for cats and dogs. They keep selling it as the only healthy option.
They do it’s called cereal.
Wow they actually exist.
Please I need human kibble to happen for totally normal reasons
counterargument: raw salmon is fucking delicious.
It’s flash frozen to make it safe, other wise you end up with parasites. Ergo it’s processed.
I’m no bitch those parasites can’t eat me
Wild salmons are flash frozen to kill parasites. But I don’t think farmed salmons require that.
Particularly the worms, that’s the best part.
Inb4 raw salmon is farmed specifically for your tastebuds
The parasites just add spice!
and raw tomatoes are cheaper than pre-cooked tomato sauce.
actually i just checked and that’s not actually true. cheapest tomato sauce here: 0.70€ / 250 ml, makes 2.80€/kg. meanwhile fresh tomatoes: 10€/kg typically.
fresh tomatoes: 10€/kg
wtf, do you live in like Svalbard or something? They are 2-4€ per kilo in the summer and 4-6€ in the winter in most places on the continent for normal truss tomatoes. I live in a country with very expensive food but basic Spanish tomatoes are 2€ right now in the cheaper supermarkets, and fancy tasty fleshy ones are like 5 or 6.
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Not where I live
I’m 14 and this is deep bullshit. There are different levels of processed food. Nobody is against cooking your food. Countless studies demonstrate that the less processed your food is, the healthier it is for you.
Nah
The misunderstanding, and rightly, the confusion, comes like you said from the level of processing. Cooking is considered processing - so these words have little value in reality as they mean different things for different people
No there’s value to what the commenter said… but like I said there also has to be some kind of thought into how you are processing because then the varying levels of processing matter. Like you said cooking is considered processing, while I gave the example of making a food oil.
How you cook determines the amount of processing you will have to apply. How I make a food oil will determine the amount of processing I will need to apply.
I am not trying to invalidate you. I’m 33 and I think about how something is processed. Though, it’s prudent to keep in mind that the further you think about how something is processed, you will eventually come to the realizations about the levels of processing. For example: You could make your own olive, grape and peanut oil with less processing or more depending on how you do it.
my body love processed food so much that keeps it an extra day or two my guts
Idk man, them food scientists been up to some strange shit out at the farm and at the food processing plant for like a century now and things have gotten out of hand a little.
Yeah, we let it get too healthy, I hear ya.
I’m not sure the goal has been to make the food healthy… I’m pretty sure the goal has only been to maximize profits and decrease costs within the bounds of whatever is considered legal (including lobbying to maintain legality).
You can still have ultra processed organic foods
False , I bet you can’t even name 63 instances
Even home-grown fruits are not organic.
