Yeah, calling the only black dude Shacklebolt as well. The more you look the worse it gets.
Even the Irish kid gets worse in the books. Apart from making things explode, his other notable character trait is repeatedly trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.
his other notable character trait is repeatedly trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.
In fucking fairness half of your personal goals as an Irish teenager in the 90s and 2000s related to acquiring alcohol and getting drunk.
True, but the first time we see him try in the books I think he’s like 12.
I mean I think that transcends racial bounds, all teens do that
As and American I’m also trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.
Distilleries also have the danger of exploding.
I bet kids laughed at these characterizations at the time too.
Im glad that we have progressed enough as a society that we can see how bad this is now.
Oh goodness, I never thought of that.
And the bank goblins being Jewish caricatures
And now about the transfem character Sirona Ryan.
I don’t think she was involved in writing Hogwarts Legacy to be fair, just put her stamp of bigot approval on it. Although whoever was writing certainly stuck to her naming conventions.
Broken clock right?
Broken clock is broken, yes
Jesus fucking Christ what? there was a character named shacklebolt???
Kingsly Shacklebolt, i believe he was the personal assistant to the prime minister. His most famous quote: “dumbledores got style”
Not the only black character in harry potter btw
Like a lot of the worst stuff in the book, it didn’t make it into the movies I think.
Is it true that the centaur from movie 1 had more lines than all the black characters in all 7 books?
And then modern fans get mad at black Snape in the TV show (if that gets to finish. My bets is it will patter out like the fantastic beasts movies)
Fans get mad about black Snape because it would instantly make Harry look like an ultra racist without rewriting half the book.
I believe you, but how so? I’ve not read the books.
Because half the plot of the books are Harry being suspicious of Snape based on basically just looks and a gut feeling at first and then hating him progressively as the books go on.
You can picture it in your mind “Oh Snape is very sketchy, he looks different then all the other professors. I know he is a bad person… I am going to prove it” with the visual background that he is like the only black professor and just one of a few black wizards shown.
black Snape in the TV show
lmfao, there’s a TV show??
Yeah, so that they can sell merch without paying royalties to the actors from the original movies, who didn’t align with her bigotry.
Nah… come on… please, let that not have been a conscious thing
Mate, there’s so many weird or disturbing things in the books that didn’t make it into the movies.
You can’t just leave us hanging like that?
Well, there’s stuff like how the book insists that most house elves are happy being slaves, Dobby was the exception. And how it makes fun of Hermione for trying to free them.
If you want a full analysis, Shaun did a good one.
Misread this as (Rusty) Shackleford.
Cho Chang
Those are at least actual popular Chinese names, as Chinese people mention every time this comes up on Reddit.
You’re California pretty
You’re really really skinny
(Cho-Chang!)
You’re cuter than a guinea piiiig
'l’ll take you down to Winnipeg
That’s in Canada!That sounds really nice! How should I pack?
Like this -pantomimes packing-
The Troubles was so long ago for me that the character quirk went over my head.
Allow me to hit you with my cane. The Manchester blast was fucking loud.
…wut
Thank you kindly for the links, I was just about to search for the Manchester Bombing, if I’m being honest I thought “The Troubles” was the name of a book or movie. I didn’t realize they gave such a non-chillant name to such a bloody conflict. Suddenly the meme makes sense though!
Thanks again!
It tends to attract negative attention if you admit there’s a civil war going on.
In the future, we’ll look back sadly on the current Times of Greatness.
According to the White House - this is the “Golden Age”.
What exactly in the above sentence would have suggested to the average person that they should Google search the troubles?
Or are you saying any time I see a nonsensical sentence I should just stop what I’m doing and google search the whole thing?What exactly in the above sentence would have suggested to the average person that they should Google search the troubles?
Well, I am still under the - maybe naive - impression that people understand context.
If one user writes about “The Troubles” (capitalised), and another mentions “the Manchester blast”, my expectation was that a person is able to put 2 and 2 together and google “The Troubles Manchester blast” at the very least.
They never really did.
Also I never really used Google. I am a duckduckgo or brave search or even startpage type of guy.
Just FYI - Startpage is also using Google’s search index, so you’re kind of also “googling”.
Probably why I dont really use it. Duckduckgo and brave.
In general, there are two main search indexes: Google’s and Bing’s, with a bunch of smaller ones here and there.
DDG uses Bing and Yahoo, mainly. Their own index is relatively small.
Brave says they use their own index.
Brave is also just google/chrome in another packaging.
She’s also derivative as hell, but children’s lit doesn’t get real deep reviews, and we were all too busy defending it from Christianity to really notice.
The erasure of Worst Witch is a crime.
starring Tim Curry? how have i missed this
It’s overlooked because he doesn’t play a villain, Curry is at his best as the bad guy
Nigel thornberry would like a word
I was today years old when I learned Tim Curry voiced Nigel Thornberry. Smashing.
Nigel was a menace!
Wait…is Dr. Frank-N-Furter a villain? I always thought he was the hero and Riff-Raff was the villain.
I didn’t say he was bad at non villain roles or didn’t take them, it’s just he’s so good at villains people forget the other roles
Sure - but I’m also still wondering what the consensus is on Frank-N-Furter. Hero? Antihero? Villain? When I search online, I get all 3
What’s racist about it? I’m not racist enough to understand
To say the UK and Ireland have had explosive interactions in the past would be a bit of an understatement. There were spates of car bombings, shootings, and other forms of violence all along the border of Northern Ireland (Due to both sides believing Northern Island should be part of their nation).
Addendum: This was not a purely binary conflict. There were also those in Northern Ireland who did not align with either aggressor.
Rowling probably takes a more pro-UK stance, and therefore is comparing the Irish people to the IRA (Irish Republican Army) bombers.
The conflict(s) were part of a period known as The Troubles (Wiki page linked)
Disclaimer - I’m an American outsider with an interest in learning about history, so I may not have the most accurate summary of events from either side of the story. The Wikipedia article should summarize incidents much better.
This is the shit they should teach us in school. The American education system sucks. Almost everything i’ve learned about world history I learned myself.
My father is a history teacher - and he inspired me to always keep learning about every part of the world that I can (and also about unique hobbies and technical fields, since I aspire to be an engineer).
I have to thank him again for all the amazing books he shared with me (and techniques for analyzing sources on the internet).
They teach it in the European History course and schools in the UK teach it. I find it quite plausible that mandatory education does not teach something with no relation to the USA.
I was never taught this at school in the UK, that was about 10 years ago so it may be different now
I’m pretty sure I was taught it in US public high school.
I think it varies from school to school based on what they think is important, but I wanna say that I learned about it in high school years ago. Of course, I also grew up in an area with a lot of Irish immigrants and descendants of Irish immigrants who were very supportive of the IRA. To the point of arms deals with the IRA being a thing with organized crime in the area. So I might know of it simply from living in Whitey Bulger country.
To add to that you also have the people living there rather split on which country they would like to be part of
Definitely.
Edit: added an addendum to the original post.
I feel this characterises it as more of a border dispute between nation states. I’m not going to get into the rights and wrongs of any side in this (because it’ll take far too long and frankly I doubt I could be completely objective). I’m commenting only to say it wasn’t that.
I’m 100% an outsider on the topic, so I’d definitely defer to the wikipedia article. Feel free to let me know if there’s any holes I should patch in the post though.
(The fighting occurred along the border, which is what I mentioned, but there is probably nuance I need to add).
Interesting stuff, thanks for the info!
So your not American? Never drank a certain Irish named drop shot drink?
I’m familiar with the shot and the years of conflict. But I didn’t realize that’s what it was referring to initially. Sometimes it takes some help for people to piece it together.
The car bomb always sounded like it was referring to the events, but I was surprised to learn much later that the black and tan was also talking about something from history. I just assumed it was the colors of the beers.
I think what you want to ask is what’s the trouble, mate.
Americans seem to miss that the IRA (Irish Republican Army) were terrorists. Lots of people were killed including children.
IRA are known for setting of bombs.
I’m not so sure, I think the Irish would be proud of their history of making things explode.
Guessing it’s due to the IRA bombings?
Correct.
Only some of them, it’s very divisive I think. Can an Irish lad confirm?
Its divisive in Ireland.
Opinions on everything from that time vary widely.
Im born and reared in Cork btw.
They see me (rowling), they hating. Trying to catch me writing dirty…
This made me laugh way harder than it should’ve, bwahaha
I find it amazing that she can be so fucking tone deaf.
Like, wasn’t half of your entire best-selling series about equality/prejudice, you daft fucking terf? Pretty sure there was a whole lot about the unfair treatment of house elves and muggle-borns. Pretty sure that first antagonist we meet (aside from the Dudley’s) is a poster-child for Hitler Youth.
Pretty sure there was a whole lot about the unfair treatment of house elves
no, the house elves loved being slaves and hermione was being hysterical for fighting for their rights.
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The difference between Palestinians and house elves is that Palestinians don’t like being in a concentration camp that is constantly being bombarded by its guards.
House elves like being servile and the thing that struck Hermione the most is that many owners took advantage of their servitude by using them as a valve to live out their sadism. Hermione’s biggest flaw was that her goals were all over the place and it would have been better to just cross out the cruel treatment of the elves by pursuing a protection law similar to the law to “protect” muggles. Protect in quotes here because wizards and witches (especially the adult ones) are batshit fucking insane and care much more about their secrecy than the victims of the crime. Meddling with shit like health care and wages for house elves, which they don’t even want, is pointless.
Which is also amazing because she is simultaneously a target herself for being muggle-born. To the point that she had to erase herself from her own parents memories.
Meanwhile in the real world, bigotry is still common among oppressed groups. See also: racism in LGBT communities, self-hating Jews, Catholics/Protestants, close-the-border 1st and 2nd gen immigrants etc.
Yes, but Hermione was one of the good ones and the system found her and elevated her.
She basically stole materials from all kinds of various books, she doesnt even know the themes she’s writing about.
There’s no way you people would think she’s racist if she wasn’t transphobic.
She was very accepting of Hermione being cast as a black girl. Seamus was just used as comedic relief in the movies, much moreso than in the books, with his magical mistakes causing explosions being primarily when he was a kid. He was loyal and high achieving character.
Meanwhile, the blonde character who uses the offense slur “mudblood” is the childhood villain for most the books. Yet she is racist for this somehow too, I imagine.
she had a reputation for racial stereotyping even before she went mask-off as a terf, decades back. like naming the one Asian character Cho Chang (sounds like ching chang chong; both names are from different Asian countries), naming the one Black character Kingsley Shacklebolt (King from MLK, shackle from slavery), naming the Jewish character Anthony Goldstein, naming an Irish character Seamus Finnegan…
…it’s not that she was necessarily super racist, she just used very stereotypical/over the top names for her characters. so I don’t hate her for being racist, I hate her for being transphobic.
About Cho Chang though, she actually looked up the meanings and choose Cho because it meant butterfly. I’ve never really associated that character’s name as a play on the racist stereotype, being Oriental myself. I’ve just associated it with general western ignorance.
As abhorrent as she is now, she was a queer ally but just didn’t understand trans, like many people around her age and demographic. She reacted to the massive backlash and drove herself into the weeds.
She’s horrible now and deserves all the hate but know that she’s a result of our own making. I think if any new people express a misunderstanding, it’s far better to make a bridge to correct that misunderstanding. It takes a lot on our part, trans and trans allies, but I’d rather make a friend out of a fool than a foolish enemy.
I think there’s a lot of truth to what you’re saying, though there’s a little more to the story. for reasons I don’t understand, the UK specifically has always been terfier than other Western countries. more lgb-friendly, but historically anti-trans. MumsNet was full of terfs with very similar demographics to Rowling years before trans awareness hit the spotlight.
I think we did a poor job educating potential allies and making a case for ourselves, in a way that got weaponized against us, but terf ideology is as old as Janice Raymond and second-wave feminism. I’m not sure Rowling specifically would have ever been on board.
And to be fair, not all of those are equally bad. Seamus Finnagan and Anthony Goldstein could very well be real people. The other two are so much worse, especially now that you’ve made me realise the slavery connection.
There’s no way you people would think she’s racist
That’s mainly because she was hyped up for so long and she didn’t go all out, but it wasn’t long until someone noticed the Gringot’s bankers were Jewish Stereotypes and some of the names were a bit iffy. But I think it really was a “Little Britain” situation where we didn’t get it until the second read through.
Also, in her books for adults, she’s gone mask off, especially against Mixed Race people.
YOU’RE DOING THAT THING THAT REDDITORS DO
Yeah, guys! She’s not racist, she loooves Black girls!
I know this is just a meme but isn’t this scene of Seamus Finnigan a movie only scene?
There are plenty of reasons to shit on JK Rowling, but shouldn’t this one be on the director? (Assuming it was done on purpose.)
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I’ve noticed VPNs and Lemmy tend to not play ball.
My ISP (O₂ CZ) has blocked some Fedi instances before but always whitelisted them after I reported the error, and lemmy.world was never affected. This was likely because of Cloudflare.
It may also be interesting for you to learn that Puerto Ricans can hang from steel beams for hours.
Well, how does he feel about taytoes? That’s how you can really tell.
