This technology is just the excuse to have the technology present in the car. If they said the reason was surveillance and to stop cars for police or national security reasons, people wouldn’t be OK with it.
But if the tech is already there for “safety” then we will just say well I guess the government will use it for other things too, whatever.
Had a boomer try and defend this with seat belts. How when they become legally mandatory everyone got upset but soon was just fine. They didn’t like when i told them their seat belt wouldn’t pull them over for the cops but this will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xcQIoh3FQQ
Pretty soon we’re gonna be a communist country.
Mid 2000’s Corolla. It has knobs, and absolutely no touchscreens, though I did put Bluetooth in it for music. It does not know what “phoning home” even means. It is a chunk of metal, plastic, and rubber that gets me from A to B.
It’s awesome.
You don’t have to go that far back. A 2015 Jetta also has no touchscreens or network connectivity, but it did have an option for Bluetooth. I’m not a car person, so it’s possible that was true for later models as well.
2022s still came with 3G only modems. Doesn’t do too much good if there is no network
I’m glad I opted to buy a new car in 2012. Enshittification accelerated hard not long afterwards. Gonna keep this one as long as I possibly can.
Pretty sure 80s vehicles are safe as well
Most (non-luxury) cars up to the mid 2000s dont have an internet connection at all and can’t functionally report home in any way. Thats about the cutoff for surveillance in vehicles as far as I know.
Even the ones that had those connections back then are probably fine now. The 3G networks they used don’t exist anymore.
Jeep Wrangler deep into the mid 2010s at least.
But then you’d have to be driving a jeep 🤢
As a Wrangler owner… You’re not wrong.
That’s cutting it close
I’ve got an 80s vehicle. While it runs fine, ABS breaks and Air Bags - preferably side curtain - would be a massive safety improvement.
Seems to me that by implementing that technology these companies are accepting liability.
So instead of having one person’s job be to make sure a large number of people get safely to where they need to go (public transit), have hundreds of computers all do it individually and continue to break down any vestiges of a functioning social fabric.
Jesus jumped up mother fucking Christ. I’m so tired of this timeline; the meteor cannot come soon enough.
Citizen: Ai with actual good sensors for safer, self driving cars so drunk driving becomes a thing of the past?
Corpogovernment: Best we can do is ai to control and oppress to keep you from using your property you bought
What could possibly go wrong with this short-sighted, privacy-invasive attempt at “safety”?
My bet is there’s a required subscription fee for it too.
So is there a verifiable source for this or are we all just rolling off an uncredited Tweet?
Section 24220 of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684/text
SEC. 24220. ADVANCED IMPAIRED DRIVING TECHNOLOGY. (a) FINDINGS.—Congress finds that— (1) alcohol-impaired driving fatalities represent approxi- mately 1 ⁄3 of all highway fatalities in the United States each year; (2) in 2019, there were 10,142 alcohol-impaired driving fatalities in the United States involving drivers with a blood alcohol concentration level of .08 or higher, and 68 percent of the crashes that resulted in those fatalities involved a driver with a blood alcohol concentration level of .15 or higher; (3) the estimated economic cost for alcohol-impaired driving in 2010 was $44,000,000,000; (4) according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology can prevent more than 9,400 alcohol-impaired driving fatalities annually; and (5) to ensure the prevention of alcohol-impaired driving fatalities, advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology must be standard equipment in all new passenger motor vehicles. (b) DEFINITIONS.—In this section: (1) ADVANCED DRUNK AND IMPAIRED DRIVING PREVENTION TECHNOLOGY.—The term ‘‘advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology’’ means a system that— (A) can— (i) passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired; and (ii) prevent or limit motor vehicle operation if an impairment is detected; (B) can— 49 USC 30111 note. Public information. Analysis. Deadlines. 23 USC 503 note. 49 USC 30301 prec. VerDate Sep 11 2014 12:21 Jan 03, 2022 Jkt 029139 PO 00058 Frm 00403 Fmt 6580 Sfmt 6581 E:\PUBLAW\PUBL058.117 PUBL058 whamilton on LAPJF8D0R2PROD with PUBLAW 135 STAT. 832 PUBLIC LAW 117–58—NOV. 15, 2021 (i) passively and accurately detect whether the blood alcohol concentration of a driver of a motor vehicle is equal to or greater than the blood alcohol concentration described in section 163(a) of title 23, United States Code; and (ii) prevent or limit motor vehicle operation if a blood alcohol concentration above the legal limit is detected; or © is a combination of systems described in subpara- graphs (A) and (B). (2) NEW.—The term ‘‘new’’, with respect to a passenger motor vehicle, means that the passenger motor vehicle— (A) is a new vehicle (as defined in section 37.3 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations (or a successor regula- tion)); and (B) has not been purchased for purposes other than resale. (3) PASSENGER MOTOR VEHICLE.—The term ‘‘passenger motor vehicle’’ has the meaning given the term in section 32101 of title 49, United States Code. (4) SECRETARY.—The term ‘‘Secretary’’ means the Secretary of Transportation, acting through the Administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. © ADVANCED DRUNK AND IMPAIRED DRIVING PREVENTION TECHNOLOGY SAFETY STANDARD.—Subject to subsection (e) and not later than 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall issue a final rule prescribing a Federal motor vehicle safety standard under section 30111 of title 49, United States Code, that requires passenger motor vehicles manufactured after the effective date of that standard to be equipped with advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology. (d) REQUIREMENT.—To allow sufficient time for manufacturer compliance, the compliance date of the rule issued under subsection © shall be not earlier than 2 years and not more than 3 years after the date on which that rule is issued. (e) TIMING.—If the Secretary determines that the Federal motor vehicle safety standard required under subsection © cannot meet the requirements and considerations described in subsections (a) and (b) of section 30111 of title 49, United States Code, by the applicable date, the Secretary— (1) may extend the time period to such date as the Sec- retary determines to be necessary, but not later than the date that is 3 years after the date described in subsection ©; (2) shall, not later than the date described in subsection © and not less frequently than annually thereafter until the date on which the rule under that subsection is issued, submit to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives a report describing, as of the date of submission of the report— (A) the reasons for not prescribing a Federal motor vehicle safety standard under section 30111 of title 49, United States Code, that requires advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology in all new pas- senger motor vehicles; (B) the deployment of advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology in vehicles; Reports. Extension. Deadline. Determinations. Compliance. Time period. Deadline. VerDate Sep 11 2014 12:21 Jan 03, 2022 Jkt 029139 PO 00058 Frm 00404 Fmt 6580 Sfmt 6581 E:\PUBLAW\PUBL058.117 PUBL058 whamilton on LAPJF8D0R2PROD with PUBLAW 135 STAT. 833PUBLIC LAW 117–58—NOV. 15, 2021 © any information relating to the ability of vehicle manufacturers to include advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology in new passenger motor vehicles; and (D) an anticipated timeline for prescribing the Federal motor vehicle safety standard described in subsection ©; and (3) if the Federal motor vehicle safety standard required by subsection © has not been finalized by the date that is 10 years after the date of enactment of this Act, shall submit to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representative a report describing— (A) the reasons why the Federal motor vehicle safety standard has not been finalized; (B) the barriers to finalizing the Federal motor vehicle safety standard; and © recommendations to Congress to facilitate the Fed- eral motor vehicle safety standard.
Apparently American bills are a fucking shitshow to wade through so here is the relevant section for anyone not wanting to scroll for 10 minutes, formatting is shit tho
SEC. 24220. <<NOTE: 49 USC 30111 note.>> ADVANCED IMPAIRED DRIVING TECHNOLOGY. (a) Findings.--Congress finds that-- (1) alcohol-impaired driving fatalities represent approximately \1/3\ of all highway fatalities in the United States each year; (2) in 2019, there were 10,142 alcohol-impaired driving fatalities in the United States involving drivers with a blood alcohol concentration level of .08 or higher, and 68 percent of the crashes that resulted in those fatalities involved a driver with a blood alcohol concentration level of .15 or higher; (3) the estimated economic cost for alcohol-impaired driving in 2010 was $44,000,000,000; (4) according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology can prevent more than 9,400 alcohol-impaired driving fatalities annually; and (5) to ensure the prevention of alcohol-impaired driving fatalities, advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology must be standard equipment in all new passenger motor vehicles. (b) Definitions.--In this section: (1) Advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology.--The term ``advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology'' means a system that-- (A) can-- (i) passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired; and (ii) prevent or limit motor vehicle operation if an impairment is detected; (B) can-- [[Page 135 STAT. 832]] (i) passively and accurately detect whether the blood alcohol concentration of a driver of a motor vehicle is equal to or greater than the blood alcohol concentration described in section 163(a) of title 23, United States Code; and (ii) prevent or limit motor vehicle operation if a blood alcohol concentration above the legal limit is detected; or (C) is a combination of systems described in subparagraphs (A) and (B). (2) New.--The term ``new'', with respect to a passenger motor vehicle, means that the passenger motor vehicle-- (A) is a new vehicle (as defined in section 37.3 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations (or a successor regulation)); and (B) has not been purchased for purposes other than resale. (3) Passenger motor vehicle.--The term ``passenger motor vehicle'' has the meaning given the term in section 32101 of title 49, United States Code. (4) Secretary.--The term ``Secretary'' means the Secretary of Transportation, acting through the Administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. (c) Advanced Drunk and Impaired Driving Prevention Technology Safety Standard.-- <<NOTE: Deadline.>> Subject to subsection (e) and not later than 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall issue a final rule prescribing a Federal motor vehicle safety standard under section 30111 of title 49, United States Code, that requires passenger motor vehicles manufactured after the effective date of that standard to be equipped with advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology. (d) <<NOTE: Compliance. Time period.>> Requirement.--To allow sufficient time for manufacturer compliance, the compliance date of the rule issued under subsection (c) shall be not earlier than 2 years and not more than 3 years after the date on which that rule is issued. (e) <<NOTE: Determinations.>> Timing.--If the Secretary determines that the Federal motor vehicle safety standard required under subsection (c) cannot meet the requirements and considerations described in subsections (a) and (b) of section 30111 of title 49, United States Code, by the applicable date, the Secretary-- (1) <<NOTE: Extension. Deadline.>> may extend the time period to such date as the Secretary determines to be necessary, but not later than the date that is 3 years after the date described in subsection (c); (2) <<NOTE: Reports.>> shall, not later than the date described in subsection (c) and not less frequently than annually thereafter until the date on which the rule under that subsection is issued, submit to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives a report describing, as of the date of submission of the report-- (A) the reasons for not prescribing a Federal motor vehicle safety standard under section 30111 of title 49, United States Code, that requires advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology in all new passenger motor vehicles; (B) the deployment of advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology in vehicles; [[Page 135 STAT. 833]] (C) any information relating to the ability of vehicle manufacturers to include advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology in new passenger motor vehicles; and (D) <<NOTE: Timeline.>> an anticipated timeline for prescribing the Federal motor vehicle safety standard described in subsection (c); and (3) <<NOTE: Deadline. Reports.>> if the Federal motor vehicle safety standard required by subsection (c) has not been finalized by the date that is 10 years after the date of enactment of this Act, shall submit to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representative a report describing-- (A) the reasons why the Federal motor vehicle safety standard has not been finalized; (B) the barriers to finalizing the Federal motor vehicle safety standard; and (C) <<NOTE: Recommenda- tions.>> recommendations to Congress to facilitate the Federal motor vehicle safety standard.
Ford has a number of patents aroundthis topic. This is definitely on the horizon.
Guess I’ll keep repairing my '99 for the rest of my life.
Also, can’t we just find out where the sensors are and cover them? I mean maybe that would also keep the car from starting.
I don’t know. I just know this is such a massively stupid thing that I doubt it’ll actually happen. Lawsuits. Massive sales drops for any company doing it.
IV got a 2012 civic, and I learned recently that Japanese drivers swap out engines at like 40k miles and sell them to us on the cheap. When my baby goes out, you can bet I’m breathing new life into her
40k miles is nothing for a 2012 Honda… Keep up with oil changes, replace the timing belt, etc. and that shit could run for up to 8x that.
I think you misunderstood my comment. I’m at 400k currently. Gonna replace the engine with a barley touched 40k when it dies
Oh, I wasn’t arguing, I was just pointing out that the new engine will last forever
Hell yea man, that’s the whole point
It would be massively bandwidth and processing intensive to actually watch you in your car the actual thing would be in your engine computer and watching you drive like an asshole and because so many people drive like assholes it would have to catch really really obvious signs like weaving, driving extra slow, abrupt stops and starts.
Basically the sort of things you would be able to tell as a fellow driver watching from the outside. The hilarious thing is that there are a LOT of old people whose ability to drive is actually seriously impaired by age related issues and young people who are impaired by their fucking phone who would certainly constantly trip this. The former at least are consistent voters.
Great, now adversaries can shut down an entire country’s transportation
In Watchdogs 2 you could hack cars while driving and have them veer right out the way. I’m not saying I would, but I would be tempted.
Why does everybody think you need to dress all the way back to the '70s or '80s or whatever for a vehicle to get rid of this tech? My fucking 2014 Toyota doesn’t have any of this shit in it. Shit you can go them all the way up and further into like my 2024 RAV4 doesn’t have internal cameras or sensors like that either.
Idk why but everytime I hear “turns the car off” all I can think of is some wacky slasher movie with the protagonist struggling to turn the car on to escape because the shitty tech says “no”
