Experts are alarmed
Me, a non-expert: also alarmed
“You’re on it all the time. With cigarettes, you might have said ‘I’ve only got five minutes, that’s not enough,’ and then you didn’t spark up after all. I don’t even have to go outside to vape,” Antonia says. When would she stop using e-cigarettes? “Right now, I feel like it’s doing me more good than harm. But if I got pregnant, I’d stop immediately.”
I hope this person gets help
I don’t even have to go outside to vape
Because you’re an asshole, maybe.
Vapes smell, but not like smoke. Sometimes you can’t even tell when you go to someone’s room.
The smell is not the issue here, you still get second-hand smoke from nicotin into your lungs, even if it’s a smaller concentration.
Edit: well, this is one topic that unexpectedly seems to be controversial lol, here you go, from WHO:
There are many different types of e-cigarettes, which are the most common type of electronic nicotine delivery system (ENDS) and electronic non-nicotine delivery system (ENNDS). […]
ENDS contain varying amounts of nicotine and harmful emissions.
E-cigarette emissions typically contain nicotine and other toxic substances that are harmful to both users and non-users who are exposed to the aerosols second-hand. Some products claiming to be nicotine-free (ENNDS) have been found to contain nicotine.
You will still get residue on your walls over time. Doing it once won’t cause harm, but prolonged indoor use is just shitty for everyone.
I’ve had it first and second-hand, it smells like a cheap candle.
But if I got pregnant, I’d stop immediately.
Lol, no you won’t.
Both of the mothers of my children quit smoking and drinking when the got pregnant.
Bros got multiple baby mamas?? Baller
Such a weird fucking thing to say about a stranger you’ve never met.
I know plenty of people that stopped vaping after becoming pregnant. And yeah it sucked for them, but they knew it’s the right thing to do.
I’m so very tired of people automatically assuming the worst of others
Yeah it’s usually a while until the first test
vapes need to have a major crackdown
no more ads
no more sugary flavours
vapes need to have a major crackdown
no more ads
no more sugary flavours
As a first step, ban disposable vapes.
There is literal tons of electronics and lithium batteries getting thrown in the trash because of that bullshit.
The reason for that is shitty regulation. In their attempt to make vaping more expensive the government made laws that make those disposable vapes the most cost effective for manufacturers.
Flavors are fine, crackdown on the sale to minors. Adults deserve to have things that taste good if that’s what they want
If we want that freedom then we need to be way fucking better parents, overall.
South Park named these douche flutes, and I used that reference to shame my friend, he either quit using it or doesn’t douche flute around me anymore.
Either way win win.
Thank you Matt and Trey.
Mouth fedora
China’s revenge for that opium business
Didn’t china crack down on vapes too?
For export? Maybe.
hahahahaha no they absolutely have not, there’s fifteen different chinese vape brands in any smoke shop in the states.
Germany did opium business with China? When?
Not really. But they profited from the outcome of the Opium Wars, a weak China. That’s why the German emperor leased Qingdao for 99 years in 1898.
They got a very nice beer brewery in return so it’s all fair
Beer diplomacy.
Nicotine is a potent antidepressant after it’s processed into cotenine in the liver. The times are very depressing, of course antidepressants are popular
Between this information and “I feel like I’ve been standing my whole life and I just sat down” from The Orville, I’m about ready to trade 10-15 of my remaining years for a nicotine addiction.
I traded 30. Not worth it. Exercise, proper hydration and a good diet of fish, greens and light grains with the right spices can do just as good without the sledge hammer to the endocrine system (Not to discount the times the sledghammer might be necessary). Learn gardening, and any other skills you might need to alleviate dependence on the faltering infrastructure as a hobby - where there is a will, there is a way. Best wishes on maintaining the will - it’s not always easy
This is bad journalism. The text refers to research at Oxford as “likely” to case harm. Purely anecdotal without any reference to the source to which it refers other than “researchers”. If they provided a reference to a peer reviewed source, I surely would have chased it up for my own education. Alas the text includes nothing but inflammatory wording like “alarming”. Did good journalism disappear or are we just lowering our standards?
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I’ve found quitting vaping is easier for the cravings than with cigarettes, because the tobacco has other stuff in it that makes the craving intense when I don’t have those, but vaping is something that I can set down and not be bothered so much. Circumstances of the present moment are particularly stressful and I’m working on staying sober, too, so as I’m alone right now, I’m smoking, but I’m only smoking 3-4 puffs before putting it out. I agree, the ease at which I can grab a vape would make it easier to take a small hit, and I would instinctively do that, but under ideal circumstances, vaping has made it easier to set it down for an extended period of time before stress really took off.
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I once observed a time ago whilst on mushrooms and DXM, after a very specific type of closed-eye hallucination was going on, where I was being carried through a vibrant, breathing, living world, and I stopped to smoke some tobacco, and upon returning by closing my eyes, I was on the same “screen” as I left, but I was no longer being “carried” through this landscape. There was just a woman in a gazebo with a river and wind, all moving independently. This experience showed me that nicotine stops a process in my head that I discussed with a friend who was a cognitive scientist, but I forget the terms he used.
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My maladapted tulpa, Valmar, was repurposed into Rusterd on DXM on the same night Pandora first played Solar Fake’s Nothing’s Wrong
…but was that a command, to shut up? Am I under investigation? Do these Arizonan retards in blue not know who I am? No, it does not make sense that the FBI would tell them. That would go against their intentions of…well, y’know. Obviously.
What is reality? I have nothing to hide. I understand I look like the Johnny Bravo of Charles Mansons. I have the authority of the tree of life. My robes are washed (clothes are still dirty), but they are tattered because I have been so traumatized. That’s where God has stepped in. And I think the FBI git that retard to flip way early on, so this ain’t just a police state, it’s a police vishnu.
I feel like I’m being set up all the time. I think my life partner has, and that the patient in the ward who answered the phone was really testing me. I think they’re gunna say I’m some insane cult leader and I’m just an artist with some problems that have been exacerbated by the circumstances of dealing with my manipulative life partner in light of his declining mental health. But God said I would be fine. But God also said God wouldn’t be there when the time comes. I don’t have anybody right now. I can’t make decisions on my own. I’m sorry I’m not good enough.
When I went to Europe there were cigarettes butts everywhere, and people smoked like crazy, felt like US in the 70s
Depends totally on which country. And what demographic you visit.
South and East Europe smoke a lot more than North and West. People outside bars smoke because if they didn’t smoke they’d be inside.
Europe the country! - USAsians
I understand its not a country.
Was Netherlands and germany
Maybe things have changed as it’s been a hot minute, but smoking in France and Portugal was common and casual in public when I was there, the UK was/is draconian about it i will admit
That’s from a European perspective. To me, they all smoke a lot. Shockingly so when one is used to the US. There are regional differences, but it’s more like comparing the size of Lake Constance to Lake Superior: both are huge.
People giving you flack for treating Europe like a country but tbh I’ve been to Germany (multiple cities), Spain (Madrid), France (Paris), Netherlands (multiple cities), and Norway (multiple cities) in the last 2 years at least and the only one without a smoking and littering problem was Norway (if I’m recalling correctly).
Yeah, tbh it shocked me. I live in California smoking is rare here.
Been to many of the same and don’t recall a lot of smoking at all honestly. Nor cigarette butts everywhere.
It’s terrible. Now in summer where you can go to places and sit outside to brunch, dine and drink, you practically got cigarette smoke in your face the whole time. But “it’s okay” because you’re outside and the wind that blows this shit in your face eventually blows it away. At least that’s the reasoning why they can ruin our experience.
Yeah that’s what I’m saying. Southern Europe (and I would count France under this too especially culturally) and Eastern Europe smoke a lot more. In Holland and Germany and the Nordics it’s a lot rarer.
I think the difference is cultural. Those countries tend to be more laid-back while the further north you go the more serious people are about life and rules. Just as an example, if your whole street has green front doors in Holland and you paint yours blue, you can bet you will get a visit from some local council pencil pusher ordering you to change it right back. In Spain you just do whatever the fuck you please with your own house. The only thing you get complaints about are actual dangers (eg plaster falling from the facade and possibly injuring people).
And I’m not saying that to bash them. In fact I moved from a northern to a southern European country in part because I like the looser outlook 🫶
And we STILL don’t know the long term effects!
Atomizing solutions in a mix of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine is often how inhaled steroids for weak lungs is delievered. Nicotine is a well studied stimulant. Pharmacutical grade flavorings are not proven safe to inhale but everything else is almost certainly orders of magnitude safer than igniting plant matter and inhaling it.
Wrong. Propylene glycol is not inhaled, the heated result of propylene glycol is inhaled, dihydroacetone, a known carcinogen.
Nicotine promotes tumor growth.
Do not educate yourself on social media.
Tell me at what temperure that reaction happens because everything I’ve read and experienced shows the cotton wicking the solution would start to burn far before that conversion. If PG easily broke down it would not be used to treat lungs.
Yh but different companies put different things in their vape liquid (so I heard) so it’s painful to even compare the long term effects of all these diff combinations :)
The ‘different things’ is just the flavoring. You just need to A) Study how much, if any, of the flavoring survives atomization B) Study any resulting products from vaporizing the flavoring, and C) Compare that to the already available data on said flavoring via other intake methods. Nearly all the flavoring used is also used in the food industry and has anywhere from 150 years to 20 years of data on potential harm.
The only two we know cannot be used in vaping that is comically harmless via all practically other delivery methods is Vitamin E acetate and Vitamin C. Pretty much everything else tried appears to metabolize in similar ways.
Everything in your comment is incorrect. Flavorings are coming out of Chinese factories and no one knows, or checks, what they are or if they are safe. No one regulates anything in vapes. You think a factory in China cares what you suck on all day?
The heated product of vape propylene glycol and vegetable glycerol is dihydroacetone, a known carcinogen of significant concern in sunblock formulas, but that’s topically applied. You want to inhale that in huge volumes deep into your lungs? Good luck!
References with big words: the levels and carcinogenic effects of vapes is the largest growing research area in oncology and lung fibrosis.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214750024002610
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0278516
Everything in your comment is incorrect. Flavorings are coming out of Chinese factories and no one knows, or checks, what they are or if they are safe. No one regulates anything in vapes. You think a factory in China cares what you suck on all day?
This is just racism. Legitimately. Get help. That aside;
While prepackaged vapes are popular, they are far from the only type sold or used, especially by chronic users. Most people that vape long term do not buy disposable; and the juice they use is almost always produced in country, regardless of country, since its far cheaper that way (avoids tariffs).
For the slightly more casual user they use disposable cartridges inside of a vape pen, the cartridges are almost always filled in-country, as it’s the cheapest method. So again, not the scary chinese men doing unethical things to your children’s lungs. Seriously. Get some help for your racism. Jesus fucking christ.
The final category is what you are thinking of when you saw the scary propaganda videos of those evil chinese factories making all-in-one disposable vapes… which are still tested by multiple regulatory agencies before they hit shelves, in all countries in which they are sold, because nicotine products are amongst the most regulated products in the developed world. Yes, China has health agencies, yes they cover nicotine products, yes it’s tested even for the foreign market, if you think otherwise yes you are actually racist. The Chinese government isn’t on some grand conspiracy to kill the white man, and you should feel bad for believing that.
The heated product of vape propylene glycol and vegetable glycerol is dihydroacetone, a known carcinogen of significant concern in sunblock formulas, but that’s topically applied. You want to inhale that in huge volumes deep into your lungs? Good luck!
…And yet it’s safe enough to be in every single vaporized medicine! Across the world! Imagine that, it’s almost as if the fear mongering on this point is from people who have never touched a medical textbook. Just google either of those compounds + steroids. Congrats, even the AI will tell you its a normal thing.
References with big words: the levels and carcinogenic effects of vapes is the largest growing research area in oncology and lung fibrosis.
It sure is. From your links, vapes without Vitamin E acetate do not yet have any correlation with chronic lung conditions. Guess which vapes did have Vitamin E Acetate? The off-market THC vapes sold in Europe for like a year a full decade ago.
Guess what will happen when all regulation stops because vapes are banned? People will cut THC vapes with Vitamin E Acetate in Europe again, and more people will get lung fibrosis than are getting it now.
Imagine that, outright banning a good makes it more dangerous.
So vaping is basically harmless! :D
No nicotine is still a potential carcinogen and has high toxicity in general; and people with hyperactive immune systems that also have any preexisting breathing problems should avoid vaping as, just with high relative humidity caused by weather, your immune system can over produce mucus causing difficulty breathing.
How much is Malboro paying their PR guys these days anyway?
50% /s
Ohh ok thanks!!
Title is very confusing, e-cigs and vapes are very much not the same thing and it makes it look like they areI hereby retract this statement, apparently its only me and my friendgroup who call a “heated tobacco product” an e-cig. I think it can be seen where the confusion was caused.
I thought they were the same thing. What’s the difference?
They very much are the same thing.
Umm yes they are.
